they actually got it back already. these are 40 years of violence against russians and then against the karzai government. there are a lot of turmoil. this is not going to be a very responsive government. i don't think we have almost any leverage. the pakistanis do. the chinese do. we'll have to be support you have of the refugee outflow. that's our principle goal, it seems to me. >> general barry mccaffrey, thank you both for your expertise this afternoon. we appreciate it. >> 20 years after the worst terror attack in history, the five men accused of helping carry it out will finally face trial. why it took so long and what to expect. why it took so long and expect