>> and waco, talk about the connection. >> it was really amazing because mark and his reducing partner, daphne peterson, discovered video of timothy mcveigh at waco. he was handing out the antigovernment brochures and you know, talking to a lot of people. we have sound bites from him at waco and he was very upset about the government overreach there and what was he exactly upset about in waco, mark? >> he was very upset that the same military vehicles that he had used in the gulf war were being used against american citizens. and in his mind, to see the militarization of law enforcement. >> but it was also the drugs, the drug angle, right? >> that was the atf, came up with a clear rationale, really. >> a rationale so it would legitimate the use of military