together to make sure that laws can't be used by anyone of any party, of any political persuasion in a way that undercuts the will of the people. >> now, today, two of the, the two leading senators in this effort, susan collins and joe manchin testified before the committee, outlining how their bill would clarify the rules for counting electoral votes. among their proposals, clarifying the role of the vice president in the certification process is purely ceremonial. as well as raising the threshhold for raising an an objection from the current single member of each body to one fifth members of the house and senate. manchin and collins acknowledged that even though the reforms they are proposing are not perfect, they are a necessary step in the right direction, so the question is, will congress act on them? joining us now is minnesota senator amy klobuchar, the chair of the rules committee, senator, good to see you again. thank you for being with us. it is unclear to me what the average american thinks of the electoral counteract and solving