about what can be done with the political life. looking at john lewis, what he did. his face bashed in, his head bashed in, and now all these years later he's an icon of our country. you believe in that stuff. >> oh, that's why i'm here. god, those were leaders that called to the moral imagination of this country and made us understand. black, white, whatever. we have common cause and we have to fight for justice. even if it's not directly affecting you that's what we need right now. >> but that's aspirational. people say you're aspirational like obama was. but aspiration, it's 2019. why won't aspiration and hope and we can do a better job and we can make it in this country, it's not nostalgia, it's optimism. why isn't that grabbing people? >> right now it's happening for jimmy carter is polling at 1%. talked about decency and he eventually won. bill clinton talked about hope. he's polling at 4%. he eventually won. barack obama this day in his race in 2007 he was 21 points behind hillary clinton but he talked aspirationally. this is my moment. i'm on the edge right now.