breonna taylor and others, and an opinion writer for nbc challenged this order, by saying quote, the problem is that history has taught us that policy, that while policies may reduce some harm, they are more assembled than a sign we need changes to the foundation of policing. now, i disagree with that. and what do you make of the criticism that the executive order is not enough? >> well, look, i certainly understand sort of sometimes, we will enact policies, whether it is legislation, whether it be an executive order and it doesn't seem to have a significant difference, but i think any kind of incremental movement that we can get, in stopping police brutality, and putting an end to these mass shootings in schools and grocery stores and public places, it is a stem in the right direction. -- it is a step in the right direction. and look, you know, president biden has made it very clear, he wants to see what happens with congress, he wants to see what sort of legislative deal, sorry,