language, and that's going to happen between friends, but what we are in complete accord about is that a true peace can only occur if the ultimate resolution allows israel to defend itself against threats and that israel's security will remain paramount in u.s. evaluations of any prospective peace deal. i said that yesterday in the speech, and i continue to believe it, and i think that it is possible for us to shape a deal that allows israel to secure itself, not to be vulnerable, but also allows it to resolve what has obviously been a wrenching issue for both peoples for decades now. i also pointed out, as i said in the speech yesterday, that it is very difficult for israel to be expected to negotiate in a serious way with a party that refuses to acknowledge its right to exist, and so for that reason i think the palestinians are going to have to answer some very difficult questions about this agreement that's been made between fatah and hamas. hamas has been and is an organization that has resorted to terror, that has refused to acknowledge israel's right to exist. it is not a partner for a significant realistic peace process, and so, as i said yesterday during the speech, the palestinians are going to have to explain how they can credibly engage in serious peace negotiations in the absence of observing the core principles that have been put forward previously. soov so overall i thought this was an extremely constructive discussion and coming out of this discussion i once again can reaffirm that the extraordinarily close relationship between the united states and israel is sound and will continue and that together hopefully we are going to be able to work to usher in a new period of peace and prosperity in the region that is going to be going through some very profound transformations in the coming weeks, months, and years. so mr. prime minister, welcome. great to see you. >> thank you, mr. president. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> mr. president, first, i want to thank you and the first lady for the gracious hospitality that you have shown me, my wife, and our entire delegation. we have an enduring bond of friendship between our two countries, and i appreciate the opportunity to have this meeting with you after your important speech yesterday. we share your hope and your vision for the spread of democracy in the middle east. i appreciate the fact that you reaffirmed once again now and in our conversation and in actual deed the commitment to israel's security. we value your efforts to advance the peace process. this is something that we want to have accomplished. israel wants peace. i want peace. what we all want is a peace that will be genuine, that will hold, that will endure. and i think that we both agree that a peace based on illusions will crash eventually on the rocks of middle eastern reality and that the only peace that will endure is one that is based on reality, on unshakeable facts. i think for there to be peace, the palestinians will have to accept some basic realities. the first is that while israel is prepared to make generous compromises for peace, it cannot go back to the 1967 lines because these lines are indefensible, because they don't take into account certain changes that have taken place on the ground, demographic changes, that have taken place over the last 44 years. remember that before 1967 israel was all of nine miles wide. half the width of the washington beltway, and these were not the boundaries of peace. they were the boundaries of repeated wars because the attack on israel was so attractive. so we can't go back to those indefensible lines and we're going to have to have a long-term military presence along the jordan. i discussed this with the president. i think that we understand that israel has certain security requirements that will have to come into place in any deal that we make. the second is -- echoes something the president just said, and that is that israel cannot negotiate with a palestinian government that is backed by hamas. hamas, as the president said, is a terrorist organization committed to israel's destruction. it's fired thousands of rockets on our cities, on our children. it's recently fired an anti-tank rocket at a yellow school bus killing a 16-year-old boy. and hamas has just attacked you, mr. president, and the united states for ridding the world of bin laden. so israel obviously cannot be asked to negotiate with a government that is backed by the palestinian version of al qaeda. i think president abbas has a simple choice. he has to decide if he negotiates or keeps his pact with hamas or makes peace with israel, and i can only express what will i said to you just now, that i hope he makes the choice, the right choice, of choosing peace with israel. the third reality is that the palestinian refugee problem will have to be resolved in the context of a palestinian state but certainly not in the borders of israel. the arab attack in 1948 on israel resulted in two refugee problems. palestinian refugee problem and jewish refugees, roughly the same number, who were expelled from palestine. tiny israel absorbed the jewish refugees but the vast arab world refused to absorb the palestinian refugees. now 63 years later the palestinians say to us and they say to israel, accept the grandchildren really and the great grandchildren of these refugees. thereby wiping out israel's future as a jewish state. so it's not going to happen. everybody knows it's not going to happen, and i think it's time to tell the palestinians forthrightly it's not going to happen. the palestinian refugee problem has to be resolved. it can be resolved. and it will be resolved if the palestinians choose to do so in a palestinian state. that's a real possibility. but it's not going to be resolved within the jewish state. the president and i discussed all these issues and i think we may have differences here and there, but i think there's an overall direction that we wish to work together to pursue a real, genuine peace between israel and its palestinian neighbors, a peace that is defensible. mr. president, you are the leader of a great people, the american people, and i'm the leader of a much smaller people -- >> a great people. >> it's a great people, too. it's the ancient nation of israel, and, you know, we've been around for almost 4,000 years. we've experienced struggle and suffering like no other people. we've gone through expulsions and pilgrims and massacres and the murder of millions, but i can say that even at the dearth -- even at the nader of the valley of death, we never lost hope and we never lost our dream of re-establishing a sovereign state in our ancient homeland, the land of israel. and now it falls on my shoulders as the prime minister of israel at a time of extraordinary instability and uncertainty in the middle east to work with you to fashion a peace that will ensure israel's security and will not jeopardize its survival. i take this responsibility with pride but with great humility because, as i told you in our conversation, we don't have a lot of margin for error, and because, mr. president, history will not give the jewish people another chance. so in the coming days and weeks and months, i intend to work with you to seek a peace that will address our security concerns, seek a genuine recognition that we wish from our palestinian neighbors, and give a better future for israel and for the entire region, and i thank you for the opportunity to exchange our views and to work together for this common end. thank you, mr. president. >> thank you. >> we've just been listening to president obama and prime minister benjamin netanyahu of israel following their oval office meeting. let me bring in former u.s. ambassador to israel and egypt edward walker who also served under both democratic and republican presidents as the assistant secretary of state for the middle east. thank you so much for joining us. let me get your reaction to what we just heard. 15 minutes in remarks from both leaders there. >> well, it's clear that they had a very tough conversation. the body language was one of two people who respect each other but there didn't seem to be a whole lot of warmth there. there are some fundamental differences between the positions, but i think that the president fully understands the difficulties that prime minister netanyahu faces. i think it is a shame that people have construed what the president said in the wrong way. he never called for a return of israel to the '67 borders. he talked about the '67 borders as a basis for beginning -- or to talk about the negotiations, not as the final chapter in where we're going to wind up. also, the problem of security is certainly critical for israel, and we have to be very much aware of it. but in this day and age it's getting increasingly difficult to ensure security by territory. there has to be a lot more and we have to work very closely with the israelis to ensure that any peace or any agreement that comes forward does provide that broader concept of security. finally, there's no doubt that you cannot make peace with somebody who wants to destroy you. so the palestinians have to make a choice, and they have to come to a decision on that point. otherwise, i do not see any way why the prime minister of israel would agree and i certainly don't see any reason why the president of the united states would agree. >> we heard netanyahu say hamas certainly has the laundry list of threats, including this attack on a school bus, a 16-year-old on that bus killed, but also mentioning hamas attacking the united states for the death of osama bin laden. but back to the issue of the '67 border, we heard netanyahu reiterate what was released yesterday in a statement, that it was indefensible saying they're following the meeting with the president, the president saying the language and the formulation they perhaps disagree on. with that said how do you move forward when that obviously, for the prime minister, is a nonstarter, the issue of the '67 borders? >> look, we've talked about this a great deal in negotiations before. i don't know of anybody who has ever been involved in negotiations that thinks that all of the settlements, these large -- which are now cities, are going to be sliced off of israel, there's going to be part of israel. that's what the president was saying in terms of swaps, territorial swaps. that's what's been said before in negotiations. the idea that he was being categoric in saying that all of the '67 borders had to stand is simply not true. >> let me talk to you about the report from "the new york times" that says that benjamin netanyahu contacted secretary of state hillary clinton in an attempt to get the president to change that speech yesterday, remove that language regarding the borders. it was kept in and we see the effects of it today, including, as you pointed out and many have noted already, the body language alone says so much following that oval office meeting. >> yeah, look, i think these two gentlemen have a lot of talking to do in the future. i think there is not a common approach at this point to the peace process. some of it seems to me comes about because of misinterpretation of what each other is saying which, of course, is always exaggerated as soon as you have -- >> i hate to interrupt you, this is the seventh meeting of these two leaders, and we can perhaps say misinterpretation but at some point that would sound like something that doesn't fly. there's a stalemate here. thr meeting face to face. the times also mentions they do not trust each other. so how do we blow out the misinterpretation and say they are meeting face to face and the words are very clear, the president's very clear in that speech yesterday. >> yeah, i think you have to keep working at it, you can't simply walk away from this kind of thing. we have strained relation was any number of countries. i don't believe our relationship with israel is strained. we have too many things in common that we both agree on. there is this question of how do you get started on a negotiation that's going to lead to a reasonable solution? >> and what do you believe is the answer? >> i think the answer is what the president said. you start from a point which deals primarily with security and which talks in terms of where we started from, the '67 borders, and then moves on to talk about what are these swaps? which settlements will be staying inside israel and what does israel really need for security? that's the second part of the equation. they go together. >> former u.s. ambassador to both israel and egypt edward walker. sir, thank you for your time today. >> you bet. next on "news nation," free and unwanted. dominique strauss-kahn is set to leave jail as he awaits trial under house arrest but where will he live? it's part of his condition of release he has to stay in new 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it's unclear whether the judge will agree to that. the security guard's firm says we have corporate housing, you can stay here temporarily. >> we'll see what happens next with strauss-kahn. i understand also this apartment that he was looking at rentz for about $14,000, is that the case? >> reporter: yeah. two bedroom apartments there go for $14,000 to $15,000 and she had rented apparently two apartments there so they're out some money. >> thank you, jeff. another republican says he is ready to step into the 2012 presidential race. former minnesota governor tim pawlenty will make it official on monday. he plants to run for the white house. this all set to come down out of iowa. joining what is still considered a weak field fighting to face president obama in the general election. nbc deputy political director mark maury joins me now. mark, you have many who believe that tim pawlenty looks attractive because he has the fewest neg at thises when you look at some of the people like newt gingrich and mitt romney having to deal with so called romney care when he was governor of massachusetts, but this is obviously the direction tim pawlenty was going all along, right? >> right, tamron. the announcement today he will officially announce his presidential bid on monday comes as no surprise to anyone. he had filed his exploratory committee back in march. already hired key aides and has been running for president for much of the past year. however, what he's doing on monday is to announce officially he's running for president. this gives him another opportunity, another bite at that publicity apple to get his name i.d. very high. as you mentioned, one of his strengths is he's almost seen as a generic republican. he doesn't have the baggage that someone like mitt romney might have. so some republicans believe he might be the stronger general election candidate against president obama, but we have a long time to go. >> yes, we do. all right. thank you so much, mark, for joining us. good to see you. and this sunday "dateline" nbc goes undercover to explore the dangers of a new deadly designer drug. you probably have never heard of it. it's called bat sal eed bath sa. chris, i was walking around asking people, it's not for the bath, it is certainly dangerous. >> it's what they call a designer drug, and this is a story that every parent has to see. some say it's an em dem pidemic. we spent a number of weeks talking to the people who make, it the people who distribute it, the people who sell it, including the families who have been devastated by it. >> reporter: last october john moody of st. joseph, missouri, got the call no father should ever get. his son, jared, had shot himself. by the time john arrived at the hospital, his 29-year-old son had only minutes to live. >> i said a prayer to god and i asked him, please, don't let him lay here and suffer. >> reporter: but his father says his son never spoke of killing himself. however, in the weeks before his death, jared's father learned his son was exhibiting some disturbing behavior. he was hallucinating and talking to himself. >> i can't imagine how much of that bath salts he had been injecting over that week. >> reporter: bath salts, a new drug jared began using just weeks earlier. but bath salts is just a nickname. it has nothing to do with taking a bath and it has no salt in it. because it's so new, it is legal to sell and buy in most states. >> i'm seeing two or three cases of bath salt abuse on a daily basis. >> reporter: william dempsey is an emergency room doctor in scranton, pennsylvania. >> i have never seen a drug progress from never heard of, never abused, and never seen in a period of three months to becoming an epidemic. >> reporter: so how easy is it to buy? >> these are bath salts. >> i heard about those. >> reporter: using a hidden camera, one of our producers went to this so-calleded head shop in new york city. >> 80 bucks. >> this little tiny thing? >> for $80. >> dude, they fly out the door. >> so what do you do? you snort them or smoke them? >> yeah. >> or what. >> yeah. >> and where do the stores get the stuff? >> nice to meet you, man. >> reporter: from distributors like 24-year-old andrew freeman who we met in minneapolis, minnesota. he makes his own brand of bath salts called bliss. >> how did you come up with the name bliss? >> just came up with it. >> reporter: one of our producers told freeman he was an investor interested in the bath salts business. >> is this your unique brew? yours personally? >> yeah. >> it's mdvp. >> straight up? >> well and other stuff we brewed it with. >> right. that's what i'm saying but how do you know what to brew it with. >> i'm a [ bleep ] mad chemist dude. >> reporter: a few weeks later we rented a hotel room and invited andrew over to talk business. this time i was there. soon he begins to realize who i am. >> do you have a card? >> do we have one in your briefcase? >> what? >> like i said, it's a bath salt. that's what they're sold as and that's what it is. >> we both know kids are snorting it. >> i don't know that if they are. >> yeah, but i can't imagine kids are going into head shops and buying this to go home and take a bubble bath. >> i disagree. >> well, andrew, there's something you need to know. >> what? chris hansen? >> yes. >> there you go. and that's not all andrew told us. we were able to actually infiltrate his distribution system with our hidden cameras and when you take a look at the profit margins here, tamron, you can see why people get involved. >> it's lucrative. >> he brought 6,000 units into that meeting. he was going to sell them to us for like 6 bucks a pop. we could sell them for $30 to $40 to stores which would turn around and as you saw in the report sell them for $60 to $80. the mark up is huge. >> what's stunning also beyond how much money they can make is that it is legal in some places and that it went from something no one knew about to an epidemic. >> exactly. and, again, these are not real bath salts. kids aren't snorting their parents bath salts. that's the name they give them for the cover-up. the de a wants to make it illegal, congress wants to make it illegal, but right now because it's so new it's not a controlled substance so it's not controlled. >> thank you, chris. be sure to catch chris hansen this sunday on "dateline." still ahead. there is a world wide earthquake we can know and see that the beginning is coming because that's what the world promises. >> did you hear? 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[ male announcer ] use as directed for 14 days. as we mentioned earlier in "news nation." tim pawlenty will make it official monday he plans to run for president as predicted but he may want to avoid the pit falls that have made this week a disaster by all accounts for newt gingrich. also mitt romney's big money week is making headlines and highways made him a prime target for democrats. let's look at the first new attack ad. >> newt gingrich says the republican plan that would essentially end medicare is too radical. governor healey thinks the plan is courageous and gingrich shouldn't be cutting conservatives off at the knees. mitt romney says he's on the same page as paul ryan who wrote the plan to essentially end medicare but with mitt romney you have to wonder, which page is he on today? priorities u.s. action is responsible for the content of this advisement. >> joining me to talk about the week is michael smerconish who is also an msnbc contributor and on "news nation" every day. usually you're in your studio but you're here today because you're hosting hardball. this week for newt gingrich, how do you categorize it? >> how do you come back from having dancing queen as our r g ring? >> his phone rang and abba was his ring tone. >> it was a great show on broadway. he had a brutal week. so much so that i found myself feeling sorry for him. >> sorry in what way? >> sorry when that fellow put the grip on him and criticized him and wouldn't let him go until he made sure his sound bite was well-recorded by the media. that was a moment where i found that distasteful. >> some would say one distasteful turn deserves another. he referred to the president as the first food stamp president of the united states. some believed that had racial tinge to it and some other interesting comments. so you put yourself out in the fire you're going to perhaps get burned. >> you're right, but when you put yourself in the fire i don't know that you subject yourself to having what was that pixie dust dumped on you during the course of a book signing. it's a brutal environment. i think churchill once said, tamron, nothing so tests the character of an individual as the running of election. so maybe that's the net benefit of all of this, but it was a bad, bad week for him. >> some people believe he's caught up in the past, that somehow he does not realize this is not the late '90s, that we are looking at a different time and he needs to make some adjustments or he could be out of this race by july 4th at least one republican strategist predicted. >> judge young voters i don't think have any recollection of the newt gingrich record. i think that voting group, which probably will largely return to president obama in the re-election, but i don't think that they really know, and so consequently when you say it was a bad week, maybe people recover. well, unfortunately for gingrich, that was the introduction week for a lot of new voters. >> and mitt romney is raising a lot of money, putting himself into a better position. he had the rough week last week with what was supposed to be a major speech on health care that tanked. >> i don't buy into the logic that says governor romney necessarily had such a great week because among the hard core, he's still dogged by this notion of providing health care when he was governor of massachusetts. >> and you had an interview with mitch daniels. >> i did. >> some believe the governor will save the day, that perhaps he will ride in on a horse in his shining armor and save what's happening here. he was at a recent event touting the success he's had in indiana with the budget there, but saying if he runs, he can't really run on what's happened in his state. he's got to put a national picture before us. do you think he's going to get in? >> i asked the question yesterday, would those things that worked well for you, governor, in indiana apply nationally and he said, yes, it's all a function of spending too much and taking in not enough. i think he would be formidable. some say he lacks pizzazz. it may be one of those cycles where it's not necessary. >> and michele bachmann, there are many ways to describe her, but she does and can capture both positive and negative attention. joan walsh wrote a piece that said she think that is she should get into the race and maybe stealing the thunder joan wrote, writing a grassroots wave that michele bachmann may slip into this. >> joan wants her in because she would provide a treasure trove for salon from now through november of that year. this race as we have discussed i see as 40, 40, 20. 40 are committed to the president, 40 are against the president regardless of who the alternative might be, and i think that everything that is playing out is for the remaining 20%. they're not going for michele bachmann. those who are far to the right are whacking up the same vote, a vote against the president anyway. the vote is who can appeal to independents. >> michael smerconish will be hosting "hardball" tonight at 5:00 and 7:00 p.m. eastern. >> thanks. a united airlines ad across the street if you will from ground zero in new york has now been removed. that's because many people found the ad insensitive considering one of the planes that struck the world trade center on 9/11 was united flight 175. now, the ad was removed after a report by paysy chang of our nbc station, wnbc. this controversy involved this ad and a lot of people had some strong emotions to it. >> exactly. the ad read you're going to like where we land, and it's not exactly what the ad said but the placement of the ad that was questionable. it was above a subway stop and right behind it you could see ground zero. now, it was more about the location of the billboard itself which was a perfect storm for the makings of a terrible faux pas. >> reporter: amid the signs of progress at the world trade center site this new ad by united airlines sa says you're going to like where we land stands out. >> it's in bad taste to have that sign here. >> reporter: bad taste because a united airlines plan was one of the two that crashed into the twin towers on 9/11. >> it's pretty tacky. it's pretty unfortunate. >> reporter: mike burke lost his brother, william burke, he was a captain with the fdny and died while rescuing people. annette guadalupe works a block away from the twin towers and remembers the devastation. >> it brings back bad memories of 9/11 and i don't think this is an appropriate place to have that type of sign. i think they should be a little more considerate of the people that died here. >> reporter: so some may blame united airlines for this slip up when, in fact, they had nothing to do with it. it's an outside vendor hired by the mta that decides where these ads should go. the mta says they are going to ask the vend quoor toor to remove the sign as soon as possible but all new yorkers were bothered by it. >> i don't even notice it. >> advertisement is an advertisement. it wasn't their fault anyway. >> reporter: still, it's been a rough week for united. the airline inadvertently reinstated flight numbers 93 and 175. those are the planes that were hijacked on september 11, and now this. >> it's unfortunate. they really should have checked out where they put it before they did. >> united says they weren't even aware of where these ads are placed and that's because it's the mta, they hire an outside vendor and they decide where to put it. nonetheless, the ad has been removed. united airlines is getting a lot of flack, but on 9/11 they lost 18 employees because of the attacks. thank you. coming up developing news about the death of macho man randy savage. we'll have the details. 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>> more and more is trickling out. we know the kids are rallying around maria. she's not the only victim in this scandal, they're very embarrassed and hurt and they don't want to go to their mom and complain so they've been going to their big sister catherine who has been the sounding board for all their anger. >> we have seen a couple tweets from the boys and we saw a photograph of catherine and her father right after this walking together. when you say rallying around, does that indicate they are alienating their father or often times in these sad situations children feel they have to take a side. >> no, they're not alienating their father. they were all together recently as a family for an event. they're trying to be supportive and show their dad they love him, but at the same time they're not letting him off the hook. >> arnold schwarzenegger has remained silent since releasing that joint statement. the paparazzi and other people are staked out. he's put his career on hold. is that the reason why we're not getting a lot of information because he's kind of put the kibosh on as many people that are close to him as possible? >> right now his focus is trying to rebuild his relationship with his wife and kids. he's hoping they can stay together, but as we nomar rea had hired a divorce lawyer. so he's right now doing damage control within his inner circle. >> and she was out and about not hiding inside of her home. she was out yesterday i believe or the day before. >> when you have four kids it's hard to hide. she was at a luncheon honoring catherine. and skrath rcatherine got a gir award and maria was cheering her on. >> and there's another child involved in this. you have this little boy whose life i imagine sooner or later will be turned upside down. we're learning arnold schwarzenegger doted on this young boy. >> there are lots of reports he did play a part in the little boy's life, that he was not -- the little boy wasn't hidden away necessarily from arnold schwarzenegger, that arnold did take some responsibility for him. though it was hidden from his entire family and a lot of people in his inner circle did not know he had a son. >> us weekly's erica suter, thank you for coming in for courtney today. for the latest entertainment news log on to scoop.today.com. get more of these details from us weekly. thank you. and is it the end of the world as we know it? not singing the song. followers of a fringe radio evangelist certainly believe tomorrow is it. harold camping says it is judgment day on saturday and according to his prophecy believers will be transported to heaven as a massive earthquake strikes us. everyone else will be left to endure famine and other horrors until the earth's final destruction which would happen in october. barbara rossing is a new testament professor at the lutheran college of theology and the author of "the rapture exposed." professor, thank you for joining us via skrip. we greatly appreciate it. >> it's wonderful to be with you. >> this is one of the hottest topics online. you talk to people, some are wondering are these folks serious. others have joked about it. what down about harold camping and how he came up with this date that tomorrow is it? >> well, i'm glad you introduced him as a fringe preacher. it really is crazy to try to calculate a date. he uses a verse from genesis and ezekiel, first corinthians, matthew. he makes this funny calculation that really has no basis in scripture whatsoever. jesus tells us you can't know the day or the hour. he says he doesn't even know so harold camping is really nuts on this one. >> which is interesting, professor, because he says he notes the scripture in theologians saying we won't know the minute or hour but he attempts to debunk it by putting together a number of other verses saying in a sense there are some who will see from the darkness and know the date. >> well, his argument -- he argues in a kind of negative way. for example, he takes a verse in revelation chapter three verse three that says unless you watch you will not know the hour. sow flips it around and argues the opposite, to say if you do watch you will know the hour. but that is -- there's so many places where jesus says, no, don't try to figure out the hour. i think we're supposed to be urgent about loving god, loving our neighbor. >> professor, people have given up their life savings. i read an interview about a guy who lied in new york, gave up his life savings to pass out these pamphlets. i went on the website for this fringe evangelist and there's a gallery of photos from people all around the country who sincerely believe he is right. we've had people predict the end of the world perhaps since the beginning of our existence, but does this kind of thing worry you at all? it is natural to wonder what will they do saturday if it is not the end of the world. >> well, and one has to ask, what's harold camping doing with all his money, too? it worries me in the sense i think it's really unfortunate. this has happened before in american history in the 1840s people thought the end was coming and sold everything. it's sort of an american phenomenon but it is very unfortunate when people direct their whole effort to a specific date like this and it's going to come and go and on may 22nd i hope they will still feel surrounded by the love of god. >> mr. camping made the prediction in 1994 that it was going to be a wrap for us. he was wrong then. let's hope he is wrong because i have a lot to do on sunday. >> he tried. we can count on that. god still loved this worlsloved world and will never leave this nation behind. next a lotto winner and he's still collecting food stamps nearly a year after striking it rich. details ahead. ooh, the price sure doesn't. i'm tired of shopping around. [ sigh ] too bad you're not buying car insurance. like that's easy. oh, it is. progressive direct showed me their rates and the rates of their competitors. i saved hundreds when switching. we could use hundreds. yeah. wake up and smell the savings. out there with a better way. now, that's progressive. welcome back. time nor the "news nation" gut check. a man who won $2 million in michigan's lottery nearly a year ago is still receiving food stamps. you bought a new home, a new audi, but he says under state rules he's still entitled to food stamps. the 59-year-old lottery winner talked with reporter dan armstrong of our affiliate in michigan. >> i don't think i have anything to hide. i don't think i did anything wrong. if the state's got a problem with their laws, i mean, they should fix them. they really should. >> leroy fick says he's perfectly within his rights to using his bridge card despite taking a $800,000 lump sum from the lottery in june. >> if i'm eligible, i'm eligible. >> reporter: he says he's disabled and unable to work. >> i have injuries to my back. >> caller: the department of human services says lump sum payments are assets, not income. therefore his situation checks out. >> he's been up front and told the department of human services immediately that he had won this money and they, of course, do their own investigation, but they told him he was eligible to keep his bridge card. >> it's just outrage us that a guy who drives a brand new audi has, you know, $1 million in the bank essentially, can still qualify for food stamps. >> state representative charles bruner whose district includes auburn says he's taking immediate action. >> i have contacted legislative service bureau to start work on legislation to change this policy. >> reporter: workers at the auburn food center say leroy shops there. they say he's a nice guy although he says someone there could have tipped off the media about him. >> just a bunch of busy bodies. they got nothing better to do than gossip. >> in the meantime he says he's being crucified in the court of public opinion. >> all this uproar, it's kind of made me an outcast. everybody is going to be pointing a finger at me every time i go some place and i don't think that's right because i didn't do anything wrong. >> wow. that was dan armstrong reporting. what does your gut tell you? i think i know. should a $2 million bot ri winner still entitled to get food stamps? cast your vote and we'll have your results on monday so the anticipation can build. that does it for "news nation." my colleague martin bashir is up next. tis brown ] america is facing some tough challenges right now. two of the most important are energy security and economic growth. north america actually has one of the largest oil reserves in the world. a large part of that is oil sands. this resource has the ability to create hundreds of thousands of jobs. at our kearl project in canada, we'll be able to produce these oil sands with the same emissions as many other oils and that's a huge breakthrough. that's good for our country's energy security and our economy. 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