over time. president zelenskyy has said repeatedly that he's willing to negotiate over donbas without getting into the specifics. he said they could talk about language, that that effectively can be worked out. now, they may have more details about how that will be worked out in the talks, but publicly hasn't given any indication of how that specifically would play out. so, to go back to your question, what are we seeing that's different? this commitment by the russians to pull back from some parts around the capital and some indications that perhaps they are, but that was also the area where they were already being in retreat, where they had already been suffering combat losses. >> right. >> reporter: so, yes, there is some diplomatic progress because they met and apparently will again and they'll take this to vladimir putin, but are we anywhere different today than we were yesterday? it doesn't seem that we are. >> well, look, you've given me my first question for general