court is going to see is constitutional. it seems as if they want no part of that. is that your sense? >> mandates continue to remain very controversial. so i think there is some skittishness about how to employ them. we do know that they work. we have seen, for example, with influenza, that without mandates in certain workplaces, for example, me as a doctor working in the hospital, without mandates, you never hit more than 50% of the adults vaccinated. mandates do work in terms of getting more people vaccinated. there are additional options that could -- that could be on the table whether that is school mandates which are really imposed at a local level. new york city, for example, as its own requirements. so other states and cities could go that route. but the federal government has increasingly fewer such options. >> let me ask you this. just a few sort of help people read some headlines and get some details of it. the vaccine for those under