is '75 they made it an absolute number, 60. that means who want to debate don't have to show up. they don't really want to debate, they just want to paralyze and as that became slowly understood in the late years of the. is '70s and '80s being applied to everything. that's where we're at. massive obstruction. we're having more than 100 blockades a year. this is how the senate has been paralyzed and damaged and number one practitioner of this is mitch mcconal and takes the floor and i would never do this and he has done it. he has led this effort and paralysis and delay has been his calling card and he's still at it today. >> i'm curious, garrett haake was talking about how kyrsten sinema's biggest objection to doing this is that she thinks that once you go down this road, the other side will take it further. she's saying that could happen in the future. that's already happened.