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about tomorrow's conversation? >> garrett, thank you. we haven't heard so much about it. it's obvious the kremlin wanted to get to this point. but we've essentially got the mechanics of it. so the kremlin spokesman said today the meeting will start around 6:00 p.m., moscow time tomorrow, that's 10:00 a.m. eastern, and then it's basically going to be held entirely behind closed doors with very little public opportunity to see what's going on. there might be video of it from the beginning. he said it's going to be a long meeting. this is something we also heard from the u.s. side. so it's possible this goes late into the evening moscow time tomorrow night. but basically we're all just waiting for the statements on the other side of the meeting tomorrow. >> the long list of grievances from putin have become a hallmark of the meetings. matt, do we think russia's primary objective is the best way to think about this is they don't want to see ukraine become a part of nato? is that what a lot of this posturing is potentially about? >> that's what they said it's

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