senators. >> well, garrett, i was in the state dining room for the president's event. i asked him about the letter from leader mcconnell about the debt ceil, and the president says he has seen it and intends to talk to mcconnell about his position. the president also wanting to sort of set the public awareness that democrats may. have to do this on their own. that is something democratic voters who have been engaged on this issue are interested in it. probably needed to hear it from the president to try to get them all in line with the steps they need to take. and then on the issue of his agenda items, the president was clear he didn't want to negotiate publicly. we've seen plenty of that from all kinds of office holders. he was clear that the two senators are really the final two yeses he needs to somehow obtain. where that number is, somewhere around $1.5 trillion is what senator manchin has said publicly. we know that progressives want it to be higher. where is that point? the president wouldn't get into