trump. i think biden, overall, has handled the hecklers well. i think he's handled most of the stuff that's come at him well. >> what if joe biden is the nominee and what you see rally after rally is just a procession of hecklers screaming anything at joe biden. screaming ukraine stuff. screaming stuff that they just made up. over and over again. do you think that that -- does that speak to -- to convincible voters? or is that just donald trump protestors who were there to just make things dirty and ugly? >> it sounds like you described the entire internet being dumped into a joe biden rally. >> it could happen. it could happen. >> you have to expect that for everybody. >> the president's going to go after him and say things that are true and not true. >> that's going to be true for any democrat. >> the only thing is with the -- these early conversations about what is electable in this particular environment. that's, i think, one of the big points that has elevated and -- and launched sort of joe biden