impeachment. they want this to drive the news because they think it's going to help. >> okay. but i'm -- i mean, isn't that part of the problem? beth, is that republicans have accepted that there's an existential threat to trump. and so they're willing to do whatever it takes to do it. and part of the reason why this impeachment message isn't breaking through is that an existential threat? or do you cut a deal on nafta? >> well, isn't that amazing? >> let me ask it this way. you watch msnbc all day. and you see this -- you see all this happening on capitol hill. and you live in iowa and you go to an elizabeth warren event or pete buttigieg. you name it. they're not talking about impeachment. suddenly, wait a minute. i thought -- what's the existential threat here? >> yeah. well, the -- what's going on in washington and what's going on the campaign trail is, without question, very different. but in fact, what's going on in washington is sort of diminishing what's going on the campaign trail. nothing these candidates is talking