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all the polls. and i'm more interested in the state-by-state polls. what are you seeing in terms of trend lines? who has consistently been rising? what is the state of the race with the numbers? >> so two things that might be in conflict with each other. i've said to people i think in some ways, this race could be a political science experiment. so look at it this way. no one in the history of the primary process has lost competitive races, contested races in both iowa and new hampshire and then gone on to be the democratic nominee. the exception here is bill clinton '92. iowa for all intents and purposes did not happen that year. so no one has actually lost contested races in both and then gone on to win the nomination. also, not since 1988 has there been a democratic candidate who's won the nomination without getting a majority. often, a very large majority of the african-american vote. well, we see joe biden now in fourth place in iowa. it's -- margins are slim between the candidates but fourth place in iowa. fourth place in new hampshire. and running away with the

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