now that was basically almost a 20 point county, kent county, michigan in the same 2004 presidential, bush carried it by 20 points. it was the home of that wing of the republican party. >> yes. >> and this is a county that it will be a shock if trump wins it. >> yes, so the interesting thing is, you know, we always talk about michigan as a gaelgd state, we have for a long time and going democratic until 2016 and trump wins the state in 2016 and then as he does that, kent county, which is traditionally republican, the support drops. he lost ground. there unbelievable. so it is a perfect place we think to look at this kind of establishment. gerald ford republican. >> maricopa county. is there, is this the most, the swingiest county in the country now? >> it might be because the hispanic population there in particular, it is a latino population that has a lot of, it is a lot of strong mexican tie, very young. very young. so you've got people aging into voting there.