experience that to me validated -- sir. >> mr. jordan, please do not interrupt. >> what we believed. and ambassador taylor was not in that call. >> all of a sudden last week, you have to come tell us, right? >> jordan, you will allow t witness to answer the question. >> he was involved in a number of oefrt interactions as you have outlined that brought him to the same conclusion. it is quite possible that that -- >> he doesn't share -- >> mr. jordan. mr. jordan, you may not like the witness's answer, but we -- >> there wasn't an answer. it was a filibuster. >> first of all, jim jordan accusing someone else of doing a filibuster, but michael, this was perhaps, i mean, like i said, jim jordan looked like he had just been run over by a mack truck. >> he's been backing his way into a box canyon for weeks now and his back finally hit the wall. this is as far as he could go and the facts are too