giant hurdle. a republican-led congress really, both in the senate and in the house side, who seem unmoved by any of this evidence. joining me now is democratic congressman denny heck. a member of the house intel committee. congressman, lets's start with that riddle because i feel this isn't -- you're not building a circumstantial case. you guys have, in some cases, first-person witnesses. this is not the mueller report. this is not one-offs here, an australian diplomat there. and yet, it's not -- it's not moving the other side here. at what point does that become a problem? >> well, it's not moving to the other side, chuck, today. but let's see what the future brings. let's see what the continued disclosure of these depositions, which is incredibly powerful testimony, brings. let's see what the open public hearings brings. you know, we're going to be treated to, i think, some