we're better thanning th we're learning kurt volker plans to testify on thursday. volker is one of the state department officials who is mentioned in the whistleblower complaint. he resigned on friday as the envoy to ukraine. our panel is back. it is like a house of cards just falling in on itself right now. >> fast. but it is a different house this time versus mueller. because these are people like volker who are from the outside who are career civil servants who have for the most part very good reputations and they are not going to give it up for the president. they will not put their professional reputation nor will they lie and throw away everything that -- >> the dni was described as career intelligence official, somebody who would not put himself in the line of fire for the president politically speaking. and just wanted to tell the