same way weirdoes in washington and new york are. >> and that's why we talk about the biden gaffes, we have to keep this in mind. >> chuck, i was watching a focus group a couple days ago. it was in a swing county in michigan. obama, obama, trump voters. and they were asking, you know, they were asking these folks about all of these different things. and just didn't bother them. it sort of -- you know, they were pretty much all going to vote for trump again. and some of the things that bothered them, they didn't like the tweeting. you know, they had some concerns about the staff turnover which was really interesting and they didn't like -- >> so it goes to competency. i have sought that -- i actually think that's something that democrats don't go at enough. >> it was really interesting to listen. there were things about the cost of living that popped as well. but i was just -- i mean, for democrats who believe that this is a demographic that is going