democracy. and to disrupt a style of leadership, which we give over our power to folks. to understand that we, in fact, have the power. >> we expect too much from them. once we exult them, like dr. king didn't say, i wish sir good marshall was in montgomery. we look for the flaws and say, oh, i made you this great image and i find out that you don't wash your feet that well. i mean, it looked to break down people rather than lift ourselves up. >> absolutely. >> so eddie, this conversation, especially what you're just talking about, the two of you. what has happened to us? why have so many americans lost the memory of what this country was and still is, and ignore what the country still is? >> you know, it's a really important point. i think, and i'm following here, who has a new book coming out. he says we're in a second lost cause. we're in the mist of a second