that's how the leaders we look up to became the leaders. >> i think what happens with prophets and heros, they become larger than life. we think they have qualities that are beyond us. and so then what we do is we follow them. when we follow them, we give up the hard work of working on ourselves. we don't see joe, that martin luther king exhibited the courage that is in me. that this person revealed a kind of character that i'm capable of demonstrating in my own life. instead, we have this longing. if only we had fdr today. if only we had dr. king today. no, we need you. part of the challenge is to rid ourselves from being, you know, engaging in supplication, from being fans in the pews, to pastors. as opposed to being in the journey. being in the journey. so this book is a radical call for every day, ordinary people, to take control of this