that. will america always be there to the degree it has been there? in this moment, we are marking the anniversary of america's finest, most extraordinary moment on the continent of europe, there is concern that this may not last. let's see what happens in the november election. even if it's not donald trump who gets elected in november, we've seen a very real demonstration of the degree to which the president of the united states, joe biden, even if he wants to help a european nation like ukraine, is hamstrung by people in his congress who don't want to do the same. america's role in europe at the moment is very much under scrutiny by europeans, and that meeting, i think, was an important meeting. the symbolism of that meeting is important, not just for europe to see but for americans to see, that america's role in europe in defending the security of america is still alive and well. >> despite recent russian successes, president biden and his team much more comfortable talking about ukraine than the situation in gaza in terms of