was done. the strategic heart of the russian attempt now to take ukraine is terror attacks on civilians. we may not have seen the extent of it yet. they have not used mass artillery. 5,000, 10,000 rounds a day against some of these cities. it is a very grim situation for the ukrainians still. >> yup. general, if you were advising president biden, what would you tell him the united states has to get into ukraine immediately? >> well, we can't build, you know, a similar military force in ukraine to challenge the russians in the air and on the ground and on the sea. it's not going to happen. it takes a year, for example, to deploy patriot missile and get a maintenance package and training and operators. some of this isn't going to change. secretary austin is out there