they had somebody who saw them as an equal, somebody who was willing to sit down and work through the process instead of telling them where everything was about to go. >> and that was actually very different from what i was hearing about the first few months of the biden administration. there was great hope after trump left that this was going to be an america europeans felt they could deal with on an equal level and the way the white house handled afghanistan, not consulting as much with allies as much as they would have liked to be consulted, of course the fiasco over the nuclear submarine, that left europeans felt that this was not a white house that was going to treat them as equals. this was different from everything i have heard. they went to them, spoke to them as equals and most importantly shared the intelligence. it was the sharing of the intelligence and the whey the white house did it, unprecedented. >> sharing of intelligence in a way the united states just doesn't do. >> really unprecedented and i think that got a lot of goodwill from europeans who had been