aggression, not to expand the war. and, of course, we are trying to help ukraine massively, and we are with the military defense weaponry. this is something that has not been there before. >> the human suffering on the ground that we're seeing all of this video of the indiscriminate bombings, the whole world is watching with horror. what do you imagine how this ends? >> it is heartbreaking. i mean we are doom scrolling, you know, our phones all the time. it is like really, and i'm asking this question all the time, but what else can we do? but also i mean, you know, is there somewhere, some how putin can back off from this? i mean in poker terms, he has gone all in. so he either win or he loses, and i think for us putin has to lose this war. >> so, john, before this, this