to understand how putin -- how he looks at the world, that he feels like he's been hemmed in by nato for years. we have to help vladimir putin get out of the corner. we have to work with him to provide an off ramp. he doesn't want that. he wants to reconstitute the soviet union. so what do we do? do we not pick up the phone and call? no. we need to continue engaging actively and always be willing to work with him to get that off ramp. but this idea that sanctions may be too tough on vladimir putin, please. if you are thinking that, do your country and do did ukrainian people a favor and, you know what? turn in your badge and leave the white house today because you are doing a grave disservice to the people of ukraine, to our allies in nato, to americans who still believe that this country, the united states of america,