do something, why can't nato do something. there are obvious clear diplomatic strategic reasons why we can't. it would perhaps set off a world war, helene, but at the same time there are different ways to help. is there any word from defense officials, from pentagon officials as to what it is going to take for something significant to get into the hands of the ukrainian military, the ukrainian people to really help them. >> that's the question we ask every day. >> i know. >> the answers are very careful and they're careful because they don't want to forecast their hand. >> uh-huh. >> but you can read a lot into what -- i had a conversation the other day with a senior official, and you are sort of left to read a lot in what they say and what they don't say. he kept saying, you know, everything is on the table outside of, you know, physical