when these schools look in the mirror, what do they say about the effect of their education? this is what their most qualified graduates are saying and doing? what went wrong? >> donald trump -- >> i think the cynical part you raise is what is most disturbing. when i was growing up, the conservative, the one you would judge conservatism, was a guy like william buckley who went to yale. he did mock people that were more or less than ivy league. >> right. >> he acted his role. to go from a william buckley out of yale to these guys that are imitating guys that they feel are of a lower -- it's the ultimate level of cynicism. it's like we'd call blackface use, when you're trying to mock blacks. they're mocking people that they never were. i think it means that they really hold them in contempt and their politics really holds them