so we'll see in the days ahead as to what happens with bannon and the trump question looms further. i think we're still a few days or weeks away from a decision on that. there's every expectation trump would say no, he wouldn't appear, and that will set off a political firestorm. you can already imagine and hear the republicans crying foul to try to bring a former president in front of congress like this. >> yeah, and i guess, mike barnicle, that's the thing. bannon could spend a year in jail but still not have to testify. and at some point speed has to come into this because those members of congress are sounding tough now but they have to be watching those opinion polls as well that show the further we get away from january the 6th, the less inclined people are to really, really push this. and they can't drag this out forever and ever if they're going to keep the country behind them in terms of being tough on these defendants. >> katty, there are multiple frustrations in this case. the first frustration obviously is steve bannon can be forced to