field. it's just -- stealing signs has been a part of baseball for a very long time. again, i'm not arguing the astros' case here. i'm just saying, i do think a couple players probably should have been banned from the sport, at least for a couple years. but it shouldn't continue to hang over the astros for the next five, six, seven years. >> yeah. but it will, joe. i mean, they were tainted by that scandal because it was so planned, extravagantly planned. willie is correct, sign stealing is as old as the game itself. always looking for an edge. bobby thompson looking at the centerfield light going on and off in the office. that's as old as baseball itself. but the way the astros concocted and devised their plan, that was the difference maker. they're going to have to live with that. they are a great team. they have great players. they're going to be the favorite against the red sox, no doubt about that. but that stain is going to be with them for a long, long time.