>> and you said also that ali, you said he was -- >> he was a humane guy in private. a lot of guys, you meet guys, in private their arrogant, ali would do anything for everybody in private. he was very sensitive, very humble guy. probably one of the top five humane guys i have met in my life. >> when he's in public, he puts on a certain character role, gets in private, he's a very humane, very kind decent person. >> he would always ask, what's going on in this town? who needs some help, let's go over to the community center. he was that kind of guy. >> that's awesome. >> and he would do it. >> that is awesome. whereas james brown, he was consistent. >> he was the same on camera as off camera. >> as you see him demanding the band, that's how he was in the dressing room, that's how he was with the kids. he was a disciplinarian. if he called you at 2:00 in the