that culture is the likeliest to win. what are you talk about there specifically? >> i'm mindful, for instance, of comments president obama made just a couple months ago when he spoke out about the perils of cancel culture and the fact that cancel culture screaming at people on twitter is not genuine activism and a genuine avenue towards social change. look, you know, the democratic party, every party gets -- runs the risk getting branded by the most extreme aspects of its -- cultural aspects of many of its members. in the case of republican party it's been captured by that extreme. but i don't think the democrats want to move in the same direction. they don't want to become a mirror image of the trumpian right which is firing salvos at people who it doesn't pur seif to p perceive to be -- they want to, as joe biden talks about and others, of looking at your