>> kurt volker had an impeccable -- he really had a great reputation during the bush administration. and my first initial read was that kurt volker was just trying to placate rudy, was just trying to deal with the nonsense that came with all of the donald trump package in order to actually achieve a foreign policy deliverable. but now he really is in a pickle. because if i'm going to testify today, my first priority's going to be to clean up the discrepancies. and yet republicans seem to have this hope that kurt volker is going to vindicate donald trump and strengthen donald trump's case. and do you see the likelihood of that? of kurt volker presenting information that is favorable to the republican calls here? >> i think it's very hard. and i totally agree with joe, i think that's what he was up to. he was trying to stabilize the situation with ukraine and