she deducts from that what the feds now spend on medicare and medicaid plus 6 trillion that the states contribute to medicate, the state federal children's health program and government worker benefits. that leaves $30 trillion to finance. but senator warren waves her wand and says the bill will really be 20.5 trillion. it goes on. the question i have for you is that i think that people are clued into this type of thing. just like the polls show that the ukraine scandal is actually something that compute as not good, that the cost of this does seem unrealistic, it seems confusing. people have been through a lot with healthcare. they don't like another huge change that could be risky to them actually receiving healthcare. >> i think that's -- i think that's well put, mika, because throughout the battle of obamacare, there was always this uneasiness about what it meant and what it would do to individuals, their families, the