like the guy that can beat trump. and as long as he seems like the guy that can beat trump he's going to lead. >> he's like the comfort candidate. >> exactly. >> but that's not in a conn condescending way, he gives people stability. he's proven it. >> i have heard so many of my friends that voted for donald trump over the past let's say six months to a year say, i'm just exhausted. >> and this hunter stuff. >> i can't handle the tweets, i wish he'd stop the tweets. i'm so exhausted. he wears me out. i wish he'd just be quiet. and i'm not so sure that there wouldn't be -- there are a lot of people that aren't going to vote for a democrat. i'm not so sure there's not going to be a pretty big undervote for those people who are exhausted if, let's say, their choice is joe biden against donald trump. >> and, again, you're talking about people who supported donald trump. these aren't people who oppose