time become so popular that through natural competition it will drive some of these insurance companies out of business. and when i spoke to pete buttigieg about his plan last night, he was pretty critical of some of those front runners, particularly elizabeth warren. >> in what way? >> he suggested their plan to get rid of the private insurance and put everyone on medicare was commanding americans to abandon the courage they had and he actually told us that he thinks that's inconsistent with america's commitment to freedom. so you see him trying to sharpen the knives a little bit as he tries to break into that top tier. >> what do you think? >> well, my question to josh is what's the difference here, i was reading a little bit about it. what's the difference between his plan and harris's -- senator harris's plan? it seems very similar. who makes this plan stand out? >> yeah. a lot of the candidates here are really grasping for ways to