ashamed for it. and castro even saying who, of course, was also in the obama administration, that he should have spoken up and spoken out. i wonder what it -- how it helps him in south carolina and among other places where there are a good number of black voters that he is the defender right now of the obama legacy. >> well, it may help, joe, i think. it just seems to me that it's only going to take him so far. in some ways we have to understand that barack obama chose joe biden as his vice-presidential candidate precisely because coallay ahe cy any fears that he was some man churian candidate. thattio biden wasn't chosen to be the vice president for barack obama because in some ways some ewill be rate progressive agenda around race that he embraced. so i think it's important for