and if they're trying to achieve reducing costs and that everyone is covered, if they're trying to achieve the fact that every had the that healthcare is a universal right, then they need to state that explicitly and make a claim about how we will get there. so i think there's a way in which we can -- we can parse this debate where it's not just simply about taking away people's insurance, where it's about the universal right to healthcare, and really show that donald trump and republicans don't really care -- let me say it differently. that they are in some ways not committed to that view. i think last night it wasn't just a stark contrast. i thought we heard at least a couple of candidates finding a way in between the two extremes, it seems to me. am i wrong in that? >> yamiche, i was going to say yamiche, it does seem that that did happen. it took till the third debate but there did seem to be the emergence of a middle way that senator booker, senator harris,