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Of emails to a second woman. It isnt just a triangle, its a pentagon. That general down there, he is the Top Commander of our war in afghanistan. Afghanistan, really . Please. If our troops were really still fighting in afghanistan, dont you think wed be hearing about that on the news instead of all this bull [ bleep ] . Good morning. It is friday. It is friday, november 16th. Welcome to morning joe. With us on set, we have the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass. Richard. Good morning. Chairman of deutsche incorporated, Donny Deutsch. Get over it. Okay . Get over it. Get over what . What are you talking about . All of you are in here. In washington, msnbc and Time Magazine senior political analyst, Mark Halperin. Richards in here . I dont know why. Im serious. Whats going on . Also, look at this cast we have today, the author of Thomas Jefferson, the art of power, historian jon meacham. Is meacham here . Meacham, look at him. Lots of books. And willie, congratulations on your newest honor. Thank you. Are you in nashville, jon meacham . Im in washington. Going to be in nashville tomorrow. He needs a pipe in that setting. Yes, he should, and a fireplace. Youre saying donnys milking this thing. We talked about it for ten minutes. We got on the set and donnys, like, can we do this again today . Unfortunately, joe and i are on whats called the decaying page. Guys falling apart. Were on the president ial page. You look good. Right next to brad pitt. That kind of ruins it. Okay. Well, there you go. Okay, take that down, please. Oh there we go. Its too early for this. It is. Take that down. Im sick. So mika whatever. Mitt romneys still in the news. Yeah, thank you. He is the gift that just keeps on giving. But i think at this point time to go away. Yeah. Well start there because actually, the response to it is probably the beginning of maybe something for the party. The Republican Party. We begin this morning with a growing number of leading republicans trying to distance themselves from mitt romneys recent comments where he argued that president obama won reelection by offering, quote, gifts or Government Services to minorities and young voters. What the president president s campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government and then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote. Okay. Were going to now show the response to this from some leading republicans. The only thing ill say is where was this along the way . Right. It was there. I mean, it was there. Its not like this is a revelation about romney. Yeah, the 47 quote. He actually believed it. Okay. And he wasnt just doing analysis. That was his, i would say, twisted view of what he views conservatism to be. That you write off 47 of the population and just try to squeeze out 3 thats undecided. Its just sick. I know this is going to sound snarky, but i think its a lot easier to say now, but it is being said. Louisiana governor bobby jindal came out strongly against romneys comments wednesday and continued yesterday. This is unhealthy. This is not where the Republican Party needs to go. If you want voters to like you, the first thing youve got to do is to like them first. Its certainly not helpful to tell voters that you think their votes were bought. Thats certainly not a way to show them that you respect them, you like them. We need to stop talking down to voters. I truly believe people on food stamps, on government assistance, dont want to be there. Theyre there because they dont have the ability to get better paying jobs. Its our responsibility to give them the education, give them the opportunities to have a better quality of life. Then we have senator marco rubio of florida who offered a carefully worded reaction to romney, telling politico, quote, i dont want to rebut him point by point. I would just say to you, i dont believe that we have millions and millions of people in this country that dont want to work. Okay. And former mississippi governor, haley bar rour barbour, saying party needs to do some soul searching. Weve got to give our political organizational activity, you know, a very serious proctology exam. We need to look everywhere is my point. Yeah. You know what . I will say and i dont hand you compliments often but youve been saying this during the primary process, it started. And now it seems to me that its great to hear these gentlemen coming forward and speaking truth to what mitt romney said. But its just too easy right now. It should have been done in the primary process. Its just like when i was talking about people in the conservative Entertainment Complex talking in ways that well never win the suburbs of philadelphia, bucks county, pennsylvania, or the i4 corridor. In this case, Donny Deutsch, i said all along that mitt romneys biggest problem wasnt that he was too conservative. Its that he didnt understand conservatism like margaret thatcher, the shopkeepers daughter, understood conservatism or Ronald Reagan, the alcoholic son that grew up in Middle America who actually believed, like i believe, like a lot of conservatives believe that if you want to help everybody, if you want to help the 100 , what you want to do is you want to fight hard for their individual free am do doms and unshackle them from regulations from high taxes, from a centralized state, and thats the best way to move forward. We can have a debate over whether thats right or wrong. The problem is, we didnt have that debate this time because mitt romneys view was such an insulated view of a guy who grew up rich and grew up in this insular world where his father ran Car Companies and was governor of michigan. This is a pivot point for the Republican Party. I think bobby jindal probably said it best. You have to turn you have to marry conservatism and pop y lyh populism. We helped the little guy because thats the america dream. Its not the opposite as far as entitlements and victims. Thats a pivot point. And the republicans that get it are going to be part of a new branded i was arguing yesterday on the show about the republicans need to rebrand themselves. Of course they do. A brand is a set of values and how you articulate those values and the attributes you assign it. And its very, very, very clear, the demographic fait accompli of where this world is going, until you can shift what is the current view of republicanism into what ill call the pop yewist articulation of conservatism, they will not get there. Willie, it all starts at the top. It really does. In president ial years, for better or for worse, the guy or woman you nominate to run your party, to be the president ial candidate is one that runs the party. And we had a guy in the Republican Party that just did not think like thatcher, did not think like reagan, did not think that. Its interesting that all these governors held their tongues through the campaign. Its not just bobby jindal, it was Bob Mcconnell of virginia yesterday saying we need to be more flexible on the issues of taxes. Haley bar rour said bour said, purists. I guess the question i have is how do you win general elections without abandingenioning your c principles . How do you move yourself to get 50 of the electorate . Its actually healthy. What you want to see is a Republican Debate about ideas. You cant have the lessons of why romney lost be about quote, unquote, gifts. You cant have it all be about ground game and political tactics. Thats a copout. Its like an army after losing a war and you chalk it up to this or that sideshow. The republicans have to have a serious debate. What is their view of the economy given whats going on . What is the proper role of government in this society . What is the role of the United States in the world . What did we learn from iraq and afghanistan . Lets have a serious debate, but lets not chalk it up to this or that democratic tactic or this or that failure to get the vote out. Thats avoiding any serious learning of lessons here. Lets go to jon meacham. I would love to ask what Thomas Jefferson would do, mika. What would jefferson do . Having said that, also how do we whats the moving forward conversation to have . Because this, again, just shows how bad the candidate was. Or how much he didnt fit the conversation that needed to be had all along, which, by the way, was a failure on both sides in the campaign. Jon. You know, whats fun sometimes in life and in politics is when you can make a vice a virtue. And in this case, the fact that romney was not a good candidate and has now said this, which totally ratifies his 47 comment, those of us who wanted to think that he was just talking about tactics, that it was late at night and he didnt really mean it, well, we were wrong. He really meant it. And i think the republicans to some extent are lucky in that they now have a total, to use donnys term, words, by the way, i never thought i would say, in that order. Yeah. It is a pivot point. You now have a nominee who is absolutely embodies and has now said again something that you can play off of. You can define yourself against. You can become an i would try to use a term, Something Like im a 53 republican. Something that says youre not, you know, were not that anymore. And then what richard says is exactly right. You cant just be packaging. Its got to be whats in the package. Well, to that point about being a 53 republican, joe, you actually have to really be one, though. You have to really be one. You actually have to believe it. Im not a 53 republican. Im a 100 republican. Tom coburn is a 100 republican. Steve largent when he was in congress, 100 republican. Matt salmon back in congress, a 100 republican. You remember back in 1994, we got into congress. We were conservatives, but we were all populists. And we constantly were doing battle with what we called the Thurston Howell iii wing of the Republican Party. I thought that wing was dead. It is hard to imagine listening again this morning to mitt romneys statement that this party, two years after a Tea Party Revolution that led to the largest legislative landslide in American History nominated a Thurston Howell iii republican to be their standard bearer. Its just shocking. Well, its not so much unlike 1994, joe, because thats another huge republican congressional win that was also fueled by populism. I think theres no doubt that the republicans react to the macro lessons for their brand and for the experience of 2012 are going to be looking for leaders who are more populists. You cant just wait for the president ial campaign because its too far down the road. There are lots of political battles between now and then. Hell be looking for somebody like bobby jindal who has a lot of strengths, one is he does have a populist streak, an andy washington streak, and focus on the real lives of real people. And i think whats so damaging for a lot of republicans about romneys comments is once again hes talking in a way thats narrow and thats not talking about things in a populist way but more the way you talk if you are at the yacht club with Thurston Howell. Yeah. Every time we talk about jon huntsman, we have idiots and ill call them idiots that say oh, youre a rhino for even suggesting suggesting jon huntsman would have been a good candidate when everybody from Erick Erickson to myself said, as a matter of fact, its just a fact, he had the most conservative voting record of anybody that ran. The most conservative record as a public leader, of anybody that ran. You mow what else he talked about, Donny Deutsch . Unlike barack obama, unlike mitt romney, unlike newt gingrich, unlike herman cain, unlike anybody, jon huntsman was the only guy that understood this populist strain of the Republican Party. He talked about breaking up the banks. Governments too big. Our banks are too big. Our military Industrial Complex is too big. We talked about it here all the time. You know, thats that populist strain. Why didnt people talk about breaking up the banks . Ill tell you another thing that he had that actually worked against him that will now be price of entry. And its called compassion. You know, his tone did not have the vitriol that the other candidates had. By the way, they called him a rhino, and this is style over substance time and time again. If you dont hate, then you are, by the entertainment, the conservative Entertainment Complex, this must mean youre a rhino. If you dont hate, this must mean you are not sufficiently conservative. If you dont hate, youre not good enough to be in our party. No. Theyre in the losing party. Theyre on the loser side of history. They are finished. They are finished with having any impact on this party moving forward. So the very thing that was price of entry, the fist pounding, the anger, the vitriol is the opposite now. If there is not a compassionate streak and you cant fake it. Its interesting, the contrast of jindal and rubio. Jindal did the hard pivot. And he had the conservative populist message, and it felt compassionate. Rubio, it was just blah, blah, blah. So to me, to your point, to huntsman, the very thing that worked against him will now work for the candidates. What does it tell you, joe, that it wasnt just the conservative Entertainment Complex, it was the voters. Jon huntsman could not get above 3 in the primary. He ran a lousy campaign. I mean, hes responsible in the end for not carrying that message forward. But you know what . More people other than Erick Erickson on the conservative blogosphere and conservative publication should have picked up that fact. He ran a lousy Campaign Early on. If he runs again, maybe hell run a better campaign. But i think also, though, he didnt he was not sufficiently angry enough in this environment that the primary process was fought in. He wasnt antiintellectual enough. And downplayed his conservatism. That was the biggest mistake. He downplayed his conservatism from the very beginning. And i want to say again, Mark Halperin, the antiintellectualism in the Republican Party over the past decade has been growing. Thats another thing bobby jindal has been talking about. Thats got to change. Thats got to change. We not only have to win over hispanics, weve got to win over educated hispanics. Educated africanamericans. Educated white people. Educated people of all races with ph. D. S, an area weve been losing for decades. And joe, theres another issue that i know you think a lot about and thought a lot about that huntsman also talked about which is afghanistan and ending the war. Thats another populist issue that i think republicans missed in 2012. The president was for winding down the war. You had others who didnt run that thought that that was an issue to tap into across the board populists including a lot of the groups you just talked about. That was an issue that would have surprised voters. Thats one of the things that people criticized the republicans who ran for, no deviation from the expected orthodoxy. And if you do that as a party, if you rethink things and lead, you can cut across voting groups, you can reach welleducated people, less welleducated people. High income low income. If youve got an issue thats bold and brave, you didnt see that from republicans on dealing with the banks and other issues where the Common Thread would be populism. Issues that would have been a real match for president obama. Really quickly, one thought. I would challenge everybody to close their eyes is this about the People Magazine thing . Lets not go there. By the way, jon meacham just quoted me, a Pulitzer Prize winner. It has nothing to do with sexiest man. That may be my 47 . Thats your waterloo, my man. Look it up. If you close your eyes and think of a progressive or liberal or conservative, the vision can i do this with my eyes open . The vision of the conservative now has to feel nicer. I know that sounds silly. Conservative has always had a hard edge to it. It was all good till you said that, but whatever. The growing crisis between israel and the palestinians, we want to get to this story, gaza is on the verge of allout war developing over the past 24 hours in response to repeated rocket attacks from hamas operatives. Israel has begun mobilizing some 30,000 reserve troops including Armored Vehicles and tanks. Overnight the fighting did not let up. Explosions rocked gaza city as israeli warplanes pounded hamas targets. Hamas vowing retaliation for the death of its military chief two days ago is escalating missile attacks deeper into israel. The Jerusalem Post reports that Israeli Air Force has fired a rock near the home of hamass Prime Minister. No one was reportedly injured. For the First Time Since the gulf war, more than 20 years ago, air raid sirens were triggered in the commercial capital of tel aviv, sending residents running for cover. So far the longrange missiles fired from gaza have landed without damage there. Yesterday israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned that the military operation could significantly widen. No government would tolerate a situation where nearly onefifth of its people live under a constant barrage of rockets and missile fire. And israel will not tolerate this situation. I hope that hamas and the other terror organizations in gaza got the message. If not, israel is prepared to take whatever action is necessary to defend our people. While egypts Prime Minister visited gaza today in a show of solidarity with hamas, israel agreed to pause attacks, but we keep hearing more coming from there, richard, your thoughts. Look, its possible this escalates, but its hard for me to see how anybody benefits. Israel got out of gaza israels a firstworld country, a firstworld economy. It doesnt want rockets raining down in the middle of tel aviv. It would be like rockets raining down on rockefeller center. Israels way beyond this and wants to move beyond this. Also, this brings into play the israeli egyptian treaty and jordan. Everything now so the question is, why did hamas choose to start firing rockets into israel the way they did . I think for hamas to start this . I think for hamas, its station identification. This is what hamas does. This is how it differentiates itself but hasnt been able to deliver the goods at home to the Palestinian People in gaza. This galvanizes its space. It shows the hamas, quote, unquote, is doing something. It has credentials unlike the west Bank Palestinians who are seen as corrupt and not really offering a palestinian future. So they just started firing missiles into israel. Its station identification for hamas. And also, hamas now is less isolated. A year ago, they would shoot missiles two years ago the Hosni Mubaraks and others would a stop. Now suddenly hamas is close to egypt. So how do we pressure morsi and egypt . They want billions from us. They want billions from the imf. Well, thats the way you do it. Is that the egyptians also have a stake in this not getting out of hand. Israel doesnt want the relationship to break down totally. Egypt doesnt want to forfeit its relationship with us, 4. 8 billion sitting there in the imf, the 2 billion annually. The imfs not going to give them the money if they are seen as being sponsors of hamas, are they . Thats why this is the balancing act. What we have to make clear to the egyptians is youre no longer simply a party. Youre now the government. Youre going to rein in people over whom you have some influence. Is the president passing that message along to morsi and the egyptians . I would hope so. The age of unconditional american relationships with a lot of these regimes is over. Remember a few months ago during the campaign, the president was asked in the telemundo interview, he was asked, do you consider egypt an ally or adversary and he basically said neither . What weve done, whether its pakistan, egypt, conditional relationships, its going to depend on how they treat their own people, whether they act responsibly beyond their borders. This is exactly the future of the middle east. So i just want to clarify, there was no triggering event specifically this time for hamas to start raining missiles down . No. On israeli civilians . No, this has been building up over the last few weeks and months. Several hundred rockets were launched. This is a selfdefinition thing for hamas. Yeah. Coming up, we have a great show ahead. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie will be here on set. Also, vice chair of the Senate Intelligence committee, senator Saxby Chambliss. Actor Bradley Cooper will join us. And documentary filmmaker ken burns. Up next, mike allen with the top stories in the politico playbook. But first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. Bill. Hey, mika, good friday morning. This weekend forecast shaping up to be a nice one. A little chillier than some of us would like, but it will be dry just about everywhere. As far as today goes, the areas still cleaning up from hurricane sandy, no storms in the cards this weekend or even next week. Thats great. A cold morning just like yesterday. The afternoon will be okay. Temperatures getting up into the 40s and 50s in almost all locations in the northeast. Now, the troublesome weather over the next week is going to be all located on the west coast. Just had some rain move through los angeles, which is always a big deal. That will continue through the ho morning. Some of that rain in the bay throughout your morning rush ho hour. Heres the l. A. Forecast, one of the worst in the nation, a chance of rain three days in a row. Very rare in southern california. Let me take you through the next three days. Your entire weekend forecast. Friday will look like saturday and saturday like sunday. Theres really no changes. The wet weather remains on the west coast. And on saturday, we should get a lot more sunshine than today in areas of the northeast. And sunday is more or less the same. So no complaints. Were getting a break from Mother Nature after she was very cruel to us over the last two weeks, especially on the eastern seaboard. Nice shot there, looks like some partial sunshine for areas around new york city this morning. Youre watching morning joe. Were brewed by starbucks. [ male announcer ] families grow up but some things never get old. Marie callenders dutch apple pie with fresh fuji apples and a crust made from scratch. It makes home at the holidays even sweeter. Marie callenders. Its time to savor. 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Apple stopped providing the app on its latest smartphone in favor of its own mapping program, a move that drew heavy criticism, especially when it was revealed the app contained inaccurate data and helped lead to the firing of Apple Software chief. And on the cover of parade magazine, they were just here at rockefeller plaza. Oh, wow. British boy band one direction. Donny deutsch was out there with the girls. Willie geist, it was great. Did you dance . My daughter danced. Oh, cute. She was very excited. Donny was dancing. My daughters. I bet they loved them. They were, like i bit they were insane. By the way, willies little boy was there, true story. The most adorable little boy. He is. How old is he now . 3. George. A month ago he went to whose wedding . My sister. Your sisters wedding. Was wearing a tuxedo, decided he loved the black tie look. Hes just not he was rocking the one direction. In a tux. In a tux. 7 30 in the morning. The cutest thing ive ever seen. He puts it on, this looks great. This is the hot look. Hes dapper. Greatest thing ive ever seen. Like a young sinatra. With us now, chief White House Correspondent for politico, mr. Mike allen has a look at the playbo playbook. Happy friday. There it is, happy friday. We can begin our weekend. You can help us pick up on this. The way republican governors in and the Republican Party at large has now sort of reacted to mitt romneys candidacy. Plotting a comeback, where do they begin, mike . Well, one of the megatrends that came out of this election is the empowerment of younger republican voices, voices we havent been focused on because the leaders blew it across the board. So governor Susanna Martinez of new mexico is one of those. Shes out at the Republican Governors Association in las vegas where we saw that little clip of governor bobby jindal of louisiana. And she, too, is saying that the party needs to attack immigration, to find a legal way for people to become citizens. She also really went after the romney remarks, saying this is the kind of thing that set us back. And she made a very interesting point. She said we dont need to be talking to hispanics. We need to be asking them, how can we earn your vote . What can we be doing differently . And so this, on paper, was a status quo election. You have a democrat in the white house, democrats running the senate, republicans running the house. But i have never seen so much power moving around, so much molten power in washington in many, many cycles because on the left, you also have a lot of groups that feel empowered who worked hard on this election, who are going to be pushing president obama, the climate groups, gay groups, others to be doing their agenda as one member of this Democratic Coalition said to our maggie abraman. Last time it was for history. This time its personal. And mike, on taxes, we mentioned it earlier, governor Bob Mcdonnell saying we need to soften it with this president if we want to get a larger deal, our position on taxes. Will we see a little move back from that Grover Norquist line . This is another fascinating sign of how much the gop is moving. For mississippi Governor Haley barbour saying republicans need to look at that. Well see a fairly conciliatory statement. President obama is also going to say he needs to make some tough choices and will compromise. So at the meeting in washington today, we hear a lot of talk about compromising on both sides. And its a sign of how they read the electorate. I think it will fade day by day as we get into the heat of negotiations. But coming out of the election, washington sounds extremely differently than it did just a few weeks ago. A lot of work to do. Mike allen with a look inside the politico playbook. Thanks, mike. Happy weekend. Up next, the knicks undefeated. The knicks are undefeated. A lot of people said they were a fluke, but after last nights win on the road against previously unbeaten san antonio, you cant say that anymore. Mike barnicle, Brian Schactman help us out with sports when morning joe comes back. Into their work, their name on the door, and their heart into their community. Small business saturday is a day to show our support. A day to shop at stores owned by our friends and neighbors. And do our part for the businesses that do so much for us. On november 24th, lets get out and shop small. [ male announcer ] a europeaninspired suspension, but not from germany. A powerful, fuelefficient engine, but its not from japan. Its a car like no other. Inspired by a place like no other. Introducing the allnew 2013 chevrolet malibu, our greatest malibu ever. All right, time for some sports. Mike barnicle, cnbcs Brian Shactman join the table. I love that the women had to leave the table to do sports. That was voluntary. They wanted to. Alex was drifting us back. Mikas got more important things to do. So mike barnicle, you called this when we made our picks last week. So did a lot of people. Tigers third baseman Miguel Cabrera beat out mike trout for American League mvp. It wasnt as close as some thought it might be. The first triple crown winner in 35 years. 22 first place votes. Trout got six. This decision not going to sit well with the moneyball crowd. Cabrera had the advantage in batting average, rbis, home runs. Trout had the wins in w. A. R. S that measures a players contribution to a teams record. 10. 7 to 6. 9. Ill tell what you it means, the internals of those statistics means that trout gets on base. He steals second. If miggy got on second, hed never score. Trout would score eight out of times from second base. Even though the tigers went to the world series. So there was a big push for trout to get the mvp. I was surprised that the number the gap was that big. Cabreras a better trouts a Better Baseball player, but you win the triple crown its automatic. You finish in first, youve got to give him the award. By the way, trout will be there. What is he, 20, 21 . Over in the national league, the mvp went to buster posey of the giants, the First National League Catcher since johnny bench won it in 1972. Take that mvp award. You guys like that one . I just want to say one thing. You like this. The red sox did not receive an mvp vote, not one vote, for the First Time Since 1911. First column was in the globe that year, too. Yeah. Wow right out of the box steps right up. Right out of the box he said 5 bucks if i rip you. Buster posey, any women about to give birth, you name your son buster, how do you miss with buster . Second most popular name behind mike trout. Mvp and world series title. And a leader. Lets go to the knicks, Donny Deutsch. I said they were unbeaten, they actually had one loss. Fourth quarter, knicks clawing back from the 12point deficit. Under two to play. J. R. Smith with a big three. That gives the knicks a twopoint lead. Less than a minute left now. Raymond felton. Cant get it to go. Tyson chandler for the follow. Knicks come all the way back to win, 104100. 60 for only the second time in the history of the franchise. Their other 60 start came in 93 94, the last time they made it to the nba finals. A lot of people said they were a fluke, hadnt played good teams. But you go on the road and beat san antonio, thats a real win. I like to kind of frame things. Knicks, 60, crimson tide loses, same week. What . How do i make the connection . What are they doing here . I dont get it. I like to look at trends. I like to kind of how are they i dont see the theyre both really good things. Heres another trend, we lost again last career and still won the National Championship. Theres another trend. Come on. Youve got to have something good. If you pause, its got to be good. This has got to be a knockout punch. What are you talking about . Were going to win the National Championship again. You dont need a knockout punch. I believe the networks understand people are tired of the s. E. C. I believe youll see oregon and notre dame. I dont know why hes here. Because im one of the sexiest people. You know another trend . Donnys not on the show anymore. Congratulations. Whos vandy got this weekend . Tennessee at home. We havent beaten them for 20 years. Tennessee has not won an s. E. C. Game this year. Lets go, vandy. Up next, the mustread opinion pages. Were back in a moment. [ male announcer ] when this hotel added aflac to provide a Better Benefits package. Oahhh [ male announcer ] it made a big splash with the employees. [ duck yelling ] [ male announcer ] find out more at. [ duck ] aflac [ male announcer ]. Forbusiness. Com. Ha ha can i still ship a gift in time for christmas . Yeah, sure you can. Great. Wheres your gift . 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Make your mark with ink from chase. Welcome back to morning joe. Its 44 after the hour. And we have a cast of millions with us. Today. I want to look at the front page of the new york post. Yes, please. Os vow to residents, ill try to make it right. Jon meacham, we were talking about this before the election, that when a president comes to a stormravaged area, it doesnt matter whether theyre a republican or a democrat, they bring a Certain Authority that can comfort people in a way that little else can do. Yeah, it goes back to theres so many roles to the presidency. You have to be the explainer in chief, you have to be the deal maker in chief, and you have to be the pastor in chief. Its a role that, you know, fdr was brilliant at playing, and he understood that there was a kind of particularly in a culture where the president is so present in everyones lives because of the media, the idea that he cares about you and is on the ground has even more power than it did when they were even more distant figures. Mark halperin, the president s been criticized in the past for being a bit remote. Theres some nice photos of him with people on Staten Island. I just wonder, are you hearing on the inside that this reelection has transformed him a bit and that we can expect a different president obama over the next four years, at least stylistically, if not ideologically . I think in terms of dealing with disaster, i think hes been a bit underrated in how hes dealt with them from the comforter in chief role, but also from the mechanical role. These are state and local problems to solve for the most part, but we all agree that most of us do, the federal government has a role. One of the things i think where hes been underrated is picking the right people. Fugate is widely considered to be very good at dealing with these things at fema. But you saw in that video shean donovan, the housing secretary, also given high marks for just kind of technical competence, the kind of president excels at. I think the bigger question is will he be a different kind of leader and president in dealing with congress . One thing we havent talked about is the meeting with kong gre congressional meeting today. Its that kind of setting and the ongoing relationship with boehner and mcconnell because hes going to have to be a different kind of leader with them. He talked about it in the press conference a bit the other day. He needs to reach out to them the way hes reached out to people on Staten Island and dealt with the two governors, christie and cuomo, who are two pretty demanding guys as well. And based on their public and private comments have been very happy with the president s leadership and his government. I just wonder if its fair to make a parallel when you look at the president s response to sandy which has had and continues to have just devastating effects on the economy for businesses and the reaction to the bp oil spill which seemed slow in coming because that was devastating as well to a different part of the country. He certainly was. He was very slow to respond to people in the gulf coast. In terms of appearances. I think things have changed, though, over the past couple years. And i suspect that, you know, even the president s closest allies will say that it was a very hard adjustment going from where he had been, a senator with very little experience in washington, to being president of the United States. I think hes i think hes learning as he goes. Hes four years in. I think were going to see i think more positive developments over the next four years. And richard haass, while we have you here, new head of the communist party in china. Talk about what it means. Were talking about the political transition here in the United States. This is the other great political transition in the world. You now have the new leadership of the Worlds Largest country, the worlds second largest economy, and whats so interesting about it is how conservative it is. China is in for a rough ride. Everyone in this country talks about a rising china, this sense of chinas emergence. They dont see it that way. Their economy is slowing big time. Their entire economic model cant continue to succeed. They cant rely on exports. Theyve got to stimulate demand. Youve got political protests at home, anticorruption movements. China is battening down the hatches. This is a very conservative leadership. Theyre answers not going to be reform, but rather theyre going to try to deal with nationalism, potentially by repressing some of it at home. Theyre going to try to do anticorruption things, and china may become or continue to be more assertive abroad. This is a different china. Its a china thats in for a much tougher experience at home. And for us, its going to everyones worried about a rising china. A china that encounters difficulties domestically could pose a different and in some ways a more difficult set of problems for United States, japan and other countries were so close to. Mike barnicle, you are our crime correspondent. Whats fbi director mueller saying this morning . This is, of course, the agent that began the cyber investigation that brought down general petraeus and is about to bring down the top general in afghanistan. He sent this picture to jill kelley who then decided to go to him later on to start a cyber investigation because a woman had sent her an email that said nani, nani poohpooh. I think based on my knowledge of director mueller, he is probably looking at that picture and looking at the fact that that fbi agent cold called a republican congressman to report what was going on. Just for the record, he sent this, he says, to doz dozens of people as a joke. Thats supposed to make us feel better. I just said for the record. If Anthony Wiener had only come up with that excuse, hed still be in congress right now. I tweeted that to all my followers. Lets wait until all this cools off. They have the ongoing investigation, a month or two down the road. Yeah. Lets reassign this agent to, you know, anchorage, alaska, perhaps. Again, the first sin was the worst, and that is they began the investigation on six emails. Its scary. That were not threatening. Thats the point weve been making all week. Civil libertarians should be up in arms at the privacy that was violated here by this, this gung ho agent who started this thing and then continued it. Ive got a friend in the Intel Community that says, actually, they probably would have let this go away, but the second this idiot started cold calling members of congress because of his personal vendetta or because he was trying to impress jill kelley who sent it to him. At that point, they really had no choice but to go public with it. Well, theres no need for willie and i to live in fear now that our emails will be exposed. There you go. Willie, tell me whats next. General petraeus testifying on capitol hill within the hour. Still ahead this morning, new Jersey Governor Chris Christie will be here. Also, actor Bradley Cooper joins us on set to discuss his new film. Its getting great reviews. Heres hoping it goes a little better than one of the last couple of times he was with us. And bradleys here to talk today about his latest film. Its called the ateam. As opposed to she came up to me and said, so im so happy youre part of the alist . Alist show . Mika. Like totally sincere. Totally sincere. Yeah. Thats fantastic. She grew up in a hermetically sealed bubble. Her mother was a fan of mr. T. [ male announcer ] free windows 8 training from your son. Can you help me with something . Nope good talk. [ male announcer ] or free windows 8 training when you buy a computer at staples. Another way staples makes it easier to upgrade. Dont know what id do id have nothing to prove id have nothing to lose [ male announcer ] zales is the diamond store. Take an extra 10 percent off storewide, now through sunday. To bring you a lowpriced Medicare Prescription Drug plan. With a low National Plan premium. And copays as low as one dollar. Saving on your medicare prescriptions is easy. So youre free to focus on the things that really matter. Call humana at 18008084003. Or go to walmart. Com for details. Welcome back to morning joe. Jon meacham, before we let you go, youre out, obviously, on this big book tour about Thomas Jefferson. The book is just doing fantastic. Incredible reviews. What are people asking you out at these book events about Thomas Jefferson . You know, theres a real hunger, as you would expect, to say, you know, what can obama learn from jefferson . And is there are there lessons back there . And there are some stylistic things. You know, jefferson was brilliant at reaching out in his caucus and across the aisle. I think we are seeing that we are hoping theres more of an instinct on obamas part to press forward in a second term by reaching out more. All right. Very good. Jon meacham. Have you sent one to the president yet . I have not. I should do that. You need to do that, jon. You need to sign it and send it to the president. Hes a big reader. As ever, youre ahead of me. So ill do that. Thank you. All right, jon meacham, the new book, Thomas Jefferson the art of power. When we come back, vice chair of the Senate Intelligence committee, senator Saxby Chambliss, also bloombergs josh green on the three factors he says will decide the fiscal cliff. And David Gregory joins the set as well. Theres david. All right. Keep it right here on morning joe. Anncr some politicians seem to think medicare and. Social security are just numbers in a budget. Well, we worked hard for those benefits. We earned them. And if washington tries to cram decisions about the future. Of these programs into a last minute budget deal. Well all pay the price. Aarp is fighting to protect seniors with responsible. Solutions that strengthen medicare and. Social security for generations to come. We can do better than a last minute deal. That would hurt all of us. Some people put everything intotheir name on the door, and their heart into their community. Small business saturday is a day to show our support. A day to shop at stores owned by our friends and neighbors. 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Look at this beautiful shot of new york city as the sun comes up. Joining us on the set, we still have Donny Deutsch with us who just made the most unbelievably selfaware comment. Do you know what he said . What did he say . He said if i were 65, i would be insufferable. Like David Gregory. Wait. Im 65 but im not insufferable. Are we suggesting hes not insufferable . I would say, you know, his upcoming book, David Gregory, insufferable at any height. Im trying to decide if its selfaware or not. Insufferable. Joining us on set, we have the moderator of meet the press, David Gregory and Senior National correspondent for bloomberg businessweek, joshua green. We just listened to mitt romney explaining why he lost. I think its not i think he actually explained why he lost. I think he helped explain why he just didnt get it. David gregory, there are a lot of conservatives from the very beginning and a lot of moderates in the Republican Party who thought this guy didnt really understand at his core what it meant to be a conservative. The wall street journal, obviously, editorialized about it time and time again. He just didnt believe like reagan or thatcher or hayek or Milton Friedman that conservative wasnt for the rich. It wasnt for the Thurston Howell iiis, it was for all america. And a conservative view and philosophy for governing. Necessarily include a lot of people, beyond just white men, that it ought to be an expanding view that new immigrants to the country ought to embrace, that should appeal across ethnic and racial divides. And i mean, i just think that theres a collective sense among those in the party who want to drive forward and say please make it stop. Make him stop talking to donors because apparently when he speaks to donors, he just opens up. And thats not really helping. I thought bobby jindal, as an indianamerican, really sort of said hey, no. We have to get it. He doesnt get it. What we need to understand is that we need to go in some new directions. We should not be talking about the fact that, you know, obamas giving away things to minorities in the country as a way to get elected. Look, i agree completely with what jindal said. I think you do, a lot of us do. Again, its easy now to say that. Youve been saying this for two years. About what the party sort of needs to do or responding to certain comments that candidates like mitt romney or during the provide marry primaries certain candidates have said, and youve cut to the chase, but these politicians now saying a lot of great things, but its easy. I mean, im glad theyre starting to say it. Bobby jindal is one of the most intelligent, brightest forwardthinking republicans that we have. Hes been muted over the past several years in part because if youre a party leader, if you occupy the space that he does, a lot of times you fall in line behind the nominee. There are a lot of times that mitt romney said a lot of really stupid things, a lot of disappointing things when he showed his weakness when he refused to speak out against a lot of the hate that was spewing from the rightwing Entertainment Complex. Now i think people are freed up a bit more, and i think its important. Dont you think you saw this change, you know. George w. Bush campaigned in 2000 saying that compassion doesnt end in the banks of the rio grande. He gets more of the hispanic vote. He talks about comprehensive Immigration Reform. It would have been the first thing he passed, had it not been for 9 11, he tries it in the second term, he fails. Then in the runup, you saw conservatives moving away from immigration. Then 2010 happens and you have the tea party movement. They sort of moved away became more fiscally conservative. It wasnt just republicans that ran away from Immigration Reform. It was a group of democrats that did as well. But republicans took the hit because of voices from the republican side, especially in the primary, were just incorrigible on so many fronts. Haley barbour, but first heres bobby jindal on mitt romneys comments. This is completely unhelpful. This is not where the Republican Party needs to go. Look, we want if you want voters to like you, the first thing youve got to do is to like them first. And its certainly not helpful to tell voters that you think their votes were bought. Thats certainly not a way to show them that you respect them, you like them. We need to stop talking down to voters. I truly believe people that are on food stamps, on government assistant dont want to be there. Theyre there because they dont have the ability to get better paying jobs. Our responsibility is to adopt policies that grow the economy, give them the education and opportunities to have a better quality of life. Guys, there is Donny Deutsch. How about that for the republican brand . How good is that for the republican brand, a guy speaking out like that on his toes, being aggressive. Bobby, governor jindal, thats a message we need more republicans to say without fear. I said it earlier, coming off of the romney gaffe into jindal, its the republican pivot point. And i think republicans can either line up what was great about what jindal said is were not going to talk down anymore. It was genuine, it was compassionate. You know what else he said that i loved . Im sure youve had to tell your advertising people, people that wanted to advertise, youve got to like your people. If you want them to like you, youve got to like them first. Its a great message for them. We republicans too often are at war with, you know, a certain segment of society, maybe the 47 . But mainly at war with the press. I remember early on, i had guys coming up to me, why do you always get such good press, scarborough . Youre a rightwing freak. I said, because even my dog knows if i dont like him. I said, you guys walk around with a scowl on your face. You let everybody in the press know that you think theyre going to be unfair to you, that theyre biased, that you hate them. What do you expect them to do . And thats the chip on the shoulder that we have to lose. Ill tell you, it is a style thing. And i said the other day and i got mocked, as i often do that i think nice is going to be the new black. Oh, god. Donny. Listen to me. Governor chris tis tie is comi. What he did was a genuine thing with obama was a seminal moment, how to act, behave, working together is not bad, kindness is not bad, compassion is not bad, and the conservatives, the republicans have to rebrand and no, that isnt the American Dream and we are about embracing. David gregory, that is what president bush did so well, always talked about being a compassionate conservative, got a large segment of the hispanic population. But republicans have not only lost hiss paj panics and africanamericans, but asianamericans as well. Yeah. Yeah. Were losing every growing Demographic Group out there. And again, it comes back to what i think was a big debate in the course of this campaign, which is what is the proper role of government, particularly in a distressed economy . And that debate, you know, happened in the course of the campaign. Its going to continue to happen. And thats where i think in this case, romney got on the wrong side of that argument. Well, he also opened up an opportunity, though, for the party to push off and move back and embrace a different kind of vision that could have more ele ele electoral success than romneys. I think jindals pushback is a good example of how the party might use that latest gaffe to kind of move beyond mitt romney. If you could play the rubio quote, because thats how not to do it. Very interesting. This is somebody whos not getting it. Hes being very careful. Ill read rubios quote. Then im going to play haley barbour. This is senator marco rubio of florida who is careful in his wording. He tells politico, i dont want to rebut him point by point. I would just say to you, i dont believe that we have millions and millions of people in this country that dont want to work. Okay. And then former mississippi Governor Haley barbour suggested the whole Republican Party did haley measure his words . He thought about it long and hard and then just went there. Take a look. Weve got to give our political organizational activity, you know, a very serious proctology exam. I think thats the only we need to look everywhere is my point. Everywhere. Okay. Mark halperin. Well, mika, you made the point that i think is really important, which is a lot of these things might have been better said before the election rather than now. Theres an confluence here of events thats helping republicans make the pivot more quickly than they might, which is governor romney said these things just as the republican governors were gathered for their meeting in las vegas, and a lot of leading National Reporters were there to amplify and question them. Thats lucky for the republicans in the sense that theyre getting a chance to respond and try to move up in a new direction. But weve seen this movie before. Its very hard for republicans, after a loss, governors of whatever party loses often try to say you know what . Were going to be the voices now. We get it. Were going to try to move the party in a different direction. Easy to do when theyre in vegas by coincidence. Very hard for bobby vijjindal a other governors to have a megaphone consistently to try to change the direction. I think this is about tone. This is what we keep talking about. The temptation is to say i see what republicans have to do. They have to become more moderate. They have to move toward the democrats. That is not the answer. And im sure thats what you would say. This is about rebranding conservatism in a conservative approach to governing. But to being more tolerant, to having a different tone about talking, you know, to immigrants and to other people in the country who are not for them. Thats what i think bobby jindal is saying. And thats what i think was really missing. To romneys credit, romney, i know, wanted massive Immigration Reform before he started running for president. They couldnt reach an agreement. So he then had to go into this primary process where he had to keep moving to the right on immigration and we see the results. And he ran away from it. Four years ago four years ago i read a book right after the president got elected. I talked about tone. I said we need to be conservative. We need to be conservative on spending money, balancing the budget, fighting wars. Weve got to show restraint. But i said weve also got to show restraint in our rhetoric. And it drove so many people crazy. They couldnt do it. So youre right. You want the reagan model. You want to be conservative ideologically, but want to be moderate temperamentally. Theres also something important as well, and i cant bring it up enough. David frum calls it the conservative Entertainment Complex. There were so many times where we were in danger as a party, the primary process, i said it time and again, that it was killing our brand. One week you would have herman cain at the top of the list. The next week you would have sarah palin. The next week you would have rick perry. The next week you would have donald trump. The next week you would have somebody else. Who had just never governed effectively. It made our primary process look like a reality show. Every time i criticized a different group, i was blasted not only by people on twitter, but by bloggers and people in the mainstream press. You were blasted for saying what these guys are saying now. Saying now. And then go to the convention. I dared say our Convention May not have been the best convention ever. My god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of Ronald Reagan. Im not done. Ive got a long list here. Thats your problem. This is not about me. This is important to say. Nobody was saying this, and they werent saying this for a reason. Right after the convention. I did a series of tweets, Huffington Post mutt it uput it they said romneys teams in trouble. They need to turn it around. Its slipping out of their grip quickly. Theyre in trouble. Then finally the libyan press conference that he gave that was such a disaster, the next morning, i went out, i said, this is the worst thing, mark stein at National Review and all these other people went crazy talking about how i was a rhino and i was this. It was stupidity. Then they decided to come at us saying we doctored a tape and obsessed for a week over two seconds where we felt they said ryan, they thought they said romney. So while all of these conspiracy theories are spewing on the right and the conservative Entertainment Complex, Barack Obamas team is organizing. And theyre targeting. And instead of talking about conspiracies in the media, josh, theyre targeting voters in ohio. Instead of talking about how the polls are skewed, theyre making phone calls. While we are basically in this cocoon where our websites, our tv shows and our radio shows, talk show hosts are telling us, everythings okay. Youre going to win. And anybody that says otherwise is just a part of the leftwing socialist conspiracy. I think thats why there was that thunderstruck disbelief among conservatives and apparently among romney himself the day after the election that they had actually lost. They didnt belief it would happen. And i think if romney had had a chance to break free of that Entertainment Complex, hadnt felt obligated to consistently kind of pander to it in his ineffective style, it would be more like the romney in the first debate who had that broader appeal that youre talking about, he might have been more successful. Im going to save the super pacs 1 billion next round. Im being completely serious. Heres what they should start running now. A series of ads with really different individuals saying, im a conservative, and i believe in Immigration Reform. Im a conservative, and i believe in helping the little guy that needs the help. Im a conservative, and continue to redefine conservatism. What does it mean to be a conservative in 2013, 14, 15. Own that. That will set the table for republicans. Just one caveat, though. Im a conservative, and balancing the budget helps the 99 . Yeah. More than the 1 . We can write 100 lines about that. Yes, yes and yes. Conservative ideology can be consistent but the American People dont understand what the word conservative means and does not understand the humanity behind it. Thats it. You have to be able to do that and still have an honest conversation about the realities that we face right now here today in this country. And Mark Halperin, that would also continue, im a conservative, but i want to talk about the big banks. Im a conservative, but i want to talk about afghanistan and bring all those philosophies to what is actually happening right now. Its very easy to criticize mitt romney right now because of where he stands in the party after his loss. The harder thing, which the republicans have not done, weve talked about this so much, is take on the media freak show and the circus. Take on the party who doesnt want to be a leader on immigration. You know, people are talking about immigration now. Of course, it seems like republicans are ready to take that on. When theres actual legislation, when you have to join arms with the president and be a leader the way bush was on the issue and senator mccain was for a time on the issue, thats going to be really hard. Thats when youve got to take incoming from the right, and its going to be difficult to do. You take on the big banks, same thing. Take on afghanistan. Same thing. Thats what the partys going to have to do to change its brand and its image. And to be confident that they are standing in the right place to broaden the party rather than to stay narrow. By the way, i want everybody to know, to follow up on David Gregorys point, im not saying default to positions automatically give up on a 35 tax rate because ill tell you what. Ill just say it right now. If i were in congress, if i were going to give up on a 35 tax rate, the democrats would have to bring a hell of a lot to the table to make me do that. They would have to get past the demagoguery on medicare, get past the demagoguery on social security, on so many things. And republicans at the same time would have to give up on an endless war in afghanistan thats causing us 2 billion a week. Give up on a military Industrial Economics that is getting more bloated by the day. Give up on corporate welfare. You know, so the default position isnt youre right its not just hey, lets give up on the bush tax cuts. No. Its tone and its balance. And that hasnt been said once in the past hour and 20 minutes. Josh, youre talking about the three questions to ask about the fiscal cliff about this debate. What are they . Well, to me, the fiscal cliff, its obviously a big clash between the two parties, but you can break it down into three individual struggles. One involving each of the three key players. For the president , hes won the election, but if we are going to go over the cliff, i think what hes trying to do now is shape Public Opinion so that if we do, republicans get blamed. I think for john boehner, and you saw this the day after the election with his conciliatory tone, he needs to have that battle with the right wing of his caucus and lead his Tea Party Members kind of out of this land of makebelieve. Can i ask you a question . The president s not running for reelection. And ive heard him say, were going to take this fight across the country and go after the republicans. Theres not a damn election for two years. What good does it do the president if americans blame the republicans . Were still going over the cliff. The good it does the president is that we go over the cliff and democrats, including in the white house, believe that if they shape Public Opinion, the furor would be so intense that everyones tax rates going up, that republicans would not be able to hold out more than a week or two. And the example you saw that before was the last extension of the payroll tax cuts when House Republicans said no, no, no. The weight of Public Opinion eventually forced him to concede. The presumption this time is that it would be even bigger because everybodys taxes are going up. I just think brinksmanship as a strategy is dangerous at this time. The country is so agitated and disgusted with that in washington. I just dont know that thats what they want to do. At the same time, how do you avoid it without the kind of outright concession that obama really wound up making . I agree. I think part of it is putting on the table that was attempted before. In other words, if hes got leverage on taxes and i think he does, then hes got to get democrats right with the idea of were going to do more cuts on medicare beyond the 250 billion that he proposed before. Theres got to be other spending cuts that are part of this to make it easier for republicans to come along. And again, i still think he uses the leverage that he has overall on tax rates. You know, to drive that piece of it. You know, weve got to look at human nature. And the thing is and donny, you know about human nature. Youve made a lot of money surveying human nature. Everybody looks at the president. The president won this big election. He microtargeted in the swing states. Republicans had a horrible message, a horrible brand. The president won big. Yea, throw the confetti. You know what . In 1996, bill clinton won big. You know who else won big . Me. When i went back in january of 1997, was i willing to work any more after bill clinton won the election than before . No. A lot of republicans that won an election in the house as well. I just say that to say the president can go ahead and to follow up on david, he could do brinkmanship if he wants. A lot of these guys have spent the last couple years in the house standing up to the president going after him aggressively. He got reelected. And the governments organized the same way. Yes. If the president wants to engage in brinksmanship, he can. The message they took from their own reelection in their district was go back to washington and fight the president. Dont cooperate with what he wants to do. Right. All right, josh thats what im saying, brinksmanship seems to be shortsighted right now. I think instead of flying all across the country and spending taxpayer dollars on air force one and your security detail, could you just try inviting people over to the white house . Hes doing that, too. And working them the way bill clinton did and the way Ronald Reagan did. Hes starting to do that today. Hes doing it. Josh green, bloomberg businessweek, can obama persuade the country . Can john boehner control the tea party . Can Mitch Mcconnell protect his right flank . Thank you very much. By the way, hes got to, i guess. Hes got an election coming up himself. And he had a tough reelection. Remember, he had to run six years ago right after the auto bailouts, had a tougher election than he wanted. Still ahead, new Jersey Governor Chris Christie joins the set. Also actor Bradley Cooper will be here. Next, senator Saxby Chambliss and Andrea Mitchell. Youre watching morning joe brewed by starbucks. Try running four. Ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately weve got ink. It gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at Office Supply stores. Rewards we put right back into our business. 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We had the leaders from the Intelligence Community including acting cia director mike morrell and jim clapper, the dni, and others. The difference that were looking for today is, general petraeus, obviously, was involved in making some of the key decisions. And we want to know what his thought process was. Plus, hes the only member of the Leadership Team that has been back to libya since september 11. He was just there several days ago. Being on the ground, he has a little bit different perspective. So were going to be talking with him about that. Hey, saxby, joe here. Good to talk to you again. Hey, joe. You know, susan rice, our u. N. Ambassador, has been taking a lot of heat. John mccain, Lindsey Graham going after her for repeating what the president says was the intel that was available at the time. Youre on the committee. Can you tell us, was susan rice, from what you know, just repeating what was being told to everybody in washington at the time on what had happened in benghazi . Well, heres what i think, joe. I think without question, i mean, you know, youve got guys storming a consulate with ak47s, with rpgs and firing mortars. They knew immediately this was a terrorist attack. There wasnt any question about that. And why the white house didnt come out and say that immediately, i dont know. They tried to soften it somewhat with regard to it was a spontaneous action that stemmed from a protest. There was a question about whether protesters were there. And five days later, susan rice goes on tv and says that not only was it a protest, but it apparently stemmed from this trailer or this movie that had been shown. And very honestly by that point in time, we were beyond that. So i do think that there were some politics involved in the message that the white house wanted to send. So saxby, you obviously hold a very important position on the intelligence committee. The president , the white house is saying that all susan rice was repeating on meet the press was what everybody else was being told from americas Intelligence Community. If susan rice was giving Bad Information five days later, and if the Intelligence Community was her source, this is a bigger question about the failings of the Intelligence Community. Im just trying to sort through this. Yeah. And thats a question that very frankly, joe, we discussed in depth yesterday with the community. We spent an awful lot of time on these talking points. The one thing i can tell you is, it will be a long time before unclassified talking points are put out by the Intelligence Community. That probably was a mistake. But susan rice was sent to give a white house message. It was not an Intelligence Community message. And theres a very clear distinction in that. Andrea, its david up here in new york. I have a question for you on some of the bigger fights here. I mean, isnt this really beyond the susan rice questions, which i know are going to be litigated fiercely, about what was happening on the ground in terms of protecting u. S. Personnel, namely the ambassador, what kind of coordination was there, or was there not between the cia presence which was substantial in benghazi and state Department Security . Well, i think those are the questions that i would suspect senator chambliss and Dianne Feinstein and their house counterparts are also going to be asking because they want to know the time line. They had five separate beyond warnings, five separate incidents, as senator feinstein has made very clear. And as we have been told. Five separate incidents in benghazi against the british ambassador, against our own consulate in the months leading up to this. The state department was told about this. Theres been plenty of testimony about that. So why did they leave our diplomats there, not better protected . Why did they not shut it down . Or beef it up and send in the military . Those are questions that i think also have to be asked. And where are we at risk elsewhere in the world . Senator, i would encourage you to jump in here and tell me because you know a whole lot more about this. And senator, could i just add to what andrea is asking because its critical, the security inaina inadequacy we know about now for our ambassador to be in benghazi on 9 11 . Its pretty easy to look back now and say sure, he shouldnt have been there. The fact is that he the cia, number one, let me clear up a myth the cia does not provide any security. A lot of the american public, i think, thinks thats the case. Security here was actually provided by the libyans, and thats normal. The host country provides security for all of our embassies and all of our consulates. As it turned out, they simply werent capable. And andrea, you make a good point, and its something that we talked with ambassador kennedy about yesterday who is a longtime career diplomat, very outstanding guy from the state department which said, look, you know. Why arent you guys thinking about other places . And he very clearly stated they are. And if we cant get the protection we need, we do have no business there. So long range, thats going to be a problem. That doesnt solve the benghazi issue, but long range, youre right. Mark halperin, jump in. Senator, if i could ask you to put a little finer point youre saying about ambassador rice. Are you saying that she has lied and the white house has lied when theyve said that what she said on the sunday shows was based not on the white house political spin, as youve been saying, but specifically on what the Intelligence Community best sense of things was at the time . Im not saying she lied. Im just saying she didnt tell she put a softer touch on what the real facts were. Thats not lying. She just didnt get out there and say, look, this is a terrorist attack. Somebody screwed up. Weve got to get to the bottom of it. Thats where we were two days later, not five days later. And i think the American People would have been better served, and they would have a better feeling about what happened in benghazi if the white house had just been forthcoming very quickly. And they knew by then more about what happened than what was being talked about. Senator, back to a point that you and joe touched upon just a couple of minutes ago. Given the level of ferocity, of the attack on the consulate, given the weapons involved, it was clearly planned. It was clearly a planned assault on that consulate. So given what happened and given in the aftermath the intel that was available, and we heard provided through ambassador rice, are we looking at a shocking lack of human intel capability on our part in Eastern Libya or throughout libya . Well, you have to remember, this is a part of the world that we havent had much of a presence in for decades under gadhafi. And our Intelligence Community did put some assets on the ground as quickly as possible. But the one question that ive asked is at the heart of what you just asked, and that is, we are the best at what we do. And if we couldnt figure out that there were a group of bad guys planning to attack this consulate, why not . Because weve always been able to put people in the right places to figure out those kinds of things. We knew, for example, that there were a lot of al qaeda operatives in libya training people and being trained themselves. Yet we had no penetration to that. And unfortunately, we didnt know this attack was being planned. And finally, Andrea Mitchell, given everything going on including the Inspector General for the cia launching an investigation into general petraeuss conduct on other in other areas, your thoughts on his testimony today. Andrea . Andrea . Im sorry, i didnt fully hear the question. I think you were asking about the i. G. Investigation, and that, we are told, is openended but is focused primarily on whether he used the resources and the assets, you know, the security detail, all of the other resources of the agency to further his relationship. The relationship he has acknowledged with paula broadwell. And that has potential legal implications. They say the fbi has assured them that he did not misuse any intelligence. Of course, its openended. And if they find something, they will pursue it, but that is not specifically what they are looking in. Senator chambliss Saxby Chambliss may know more about that in the questions hell be asking today. Senator chambliss, well be following it closely as im sure Many Americans are. Thank you for being with us. Always great to see you. You as well. You got the question there. Saxby, ive got a feeling were going to see you in atlanta when alabama takes on georgia. Go, dogs. Roll tide, baby. See you there. David gregory, thank you. You bet. Lindsey graham and rogers and feinstein. Were going to cover all this benghazi and petraeus stuff. David gregory, thanks very much. Still ahead, actor Bradley Cooper takes us inside his latest role and donny, you say its a good one. Honestly, one of the best movies i have ever seen. If youre 80, if youre 20, and he is spectacular. Wow okay. The dust bowl filmmaker ken burns will be here to talk about his new film documenting what he calls the worst manmade ecological disaster in u. S. History. Morning joe back in a moment. With the spark cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his Small Business how does this thing work . Oh, i like it [ garth ] svens Small Business earns 2 cash back on every purchase, every day woohoo so thats ten security gators, right . Put them on my spark card why settle for less . Testing hot tar. 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After getting blown up. He survives it. And he escapes to switzerland with katherine. You think he ends it there . No. She dies, dad. I mean, the worlds hard enough as it is, guys. Cant somebody say hey, lets be positive . Lets have a good ending to the story . Pat, you owe us an apology. Mom, i cant apologize. Im not going to apologize for this. You know what i will do . I will apologize on behalf of Ernest Hemingway because thats whos to blame here. Yeah, have Ernest Hemingway call and apologize to us, too. I think im going to like it. That was a scene from the new movie Silver Linings playbook. And joining us now, the star of the film, Bradley Cooper back on the show. Nice to see you. Its been a long time. Long hair. Were in the middle of shooting hangover 3, your favorite trilogy. You think mika may actually see this . Im not going to hold my breath, joe. Im going to see it. My husband and i are going to watch it. Shes probably going to call it silver bells. Hit and run is your favorite movie, isnt it . And alist. You know what . Thats when i like it, hell know. Thats true. Thats true. Exactly. I have a hunch. Dont you hate suckups . Yes. I hate suckups. I wouldnt mind a little bit. I dont know if hate is the right word. Speaking of suckups, Donny Deutsch, you saw the movie. You said this was the citizen kane of our time. I was fortunate enough to be at the premiere. The movie is of course you were. Wait a second. Im talking about a movie here, all right . Honestly, it is a wonderful movie. I would send my 25yearold daughter, my 84yearold dad, bradley is amazing. Jennifer lawrence. A great human story. Its a grownup movie. Ive got to tell you, i was blown away, not because bradleys here and hes great. I really mean that. Thank you. I laughed, i cried, i sucked up nfor hours. Donny did say it was an extraordinary movie, its gotten great reviews. Tell us about it. I dont know, its a unique story. Its written by david orussell. Its very philly centric. Its about a guy released from a Mental Institution after having a plea bargain with the courts, beat the hell out of a guy leaving with his wife. In the hospital hes diagnosed as being bipolar, and he had just never dealt with it his whole life. He moves back home and thinks he knows how to save his life, get his wife back, restraining order against him, get his job back, yet hes living with his parents, hes got no phone, no car and trying to put his life together. And then Tiffany Maxwell played by Jennifer Lawrence is another woman whos got issues. Her husband was just killed. He was a cop. And in order to deal with that, shes been sleeping with everybody at work. You know the story, guys. As old as time. And then but its about these people that are, you know, hopefully we all can relate to. Theyre a little bit on the extreme emotionally. And yet they come together in an honest way. Orussell, all he cares about is authenticity. Donny, where you going, man . What is the deal . You suck up and leave. Is it a suck up and run . No, i was scheduled to leave and then bradley was coming and i loved the movie. We actually didnt really want to know. Too much information. All right. Thank you. Have fun. Lets look at a clip. Another clip from the movie. You dont want me to keep talking . Im having sex with everybody in the office. Everybody . I was very depressed after tommy died. It was a lot of people. You dont have to talk about it. Thanks. How many were there . 11. Wow. I know. Im not going to talk about it anymore. Okay. Can i ask you one more question . Were there any women . Yes. Really . Yes. What was that like . Hot. Oh, my god. This is incredible. This is rich. Do we have another clip . Donny. I cant believe it. Donny loves it, mika loves it. As a rule, i hate to second anything Donny Deutsch says, but i have seen the movie, and it is quite excellent. Theres i think when you play somebody with a mental disability, the danger of making, like, a cartoon character of a crazy person, but there is a little subtlety here to the way you play it. But were all sick. Thats whats perfect. Thats the point. You get it hit it right on the nose. I dont know if sick is the right word. Sick, yeah, were all sick. I like it. Why not . I got some notes of little miss sunshine which is to say totally totally dysfunctional family. You love them. And they celebrate their little their quirks and the fact they are a little bit nuts in certain ways but they rally around each other and you root for them. Theres no sort of hollywood end i ending where all of a sudden everybody is healed at all. Exactly. The family does help in coming together communicating. And the trick is to make the intensity normal and appealing. The whacked out eagles fan, the transference. This guy, pat, i played will take you through the whole movie. If its too extreme, were never going to get onboard. The movie starts out, he has issues. We have to win the audience back almost honestly with that because youre sort of sitting there going, wait a second. Who is this guy . By the way, great reviews this morning in your hometown paper, the boston globe. Also this film, youre going to love it. Obviously we all know mike is a big ballroom dancer. Oh, well. And we get some behindthescenes footage. Bradley is doing some ballroom. Mike an worked i dont know how you managed sitting with me. A lot of stamina. Oh, my god. Look at that. What are we looking at here . This is an idea mike came up with for jennifer and then he insisted on doing the routine himself and i kept saying, mike, im going to have to eventually do 0 it. No, just watch me. No stand in. That is actually us rehearsing. Where did you get that . We have a guy. You can tell that we had no dance standards. That was us. That is proof right there. Everybody is asking, by the way, about working with de niro but what about her . I love working with a university. Its interesting, an entire university. You know what i meant. Jennifer. Sorry. Wow. Shes great. A great school. I think j. J. Evans was there. Hes in the dorm. Shes great, though, right . Jennifer laurence, we did did another movie together right afterwards. I love her. Can we turn to politics . You watch morning joe a lot. Talk about the election. How are you feeling . I mean, i feel good. Who did you vote for . Do you like to talk about it . I voted for mitt romney. You did . I voted for obama. Are you surprised . Yeah, i cant believe that. Not real thrilled about it. Because youre republican ron paul. More libertarian. Small government guy. What about you. I voted for obama. I did. You won again. Yeah, yeah. Are you excited . I am excited, and im you know, im amazed at how quickly that election ended. It was almost you could even tell the news outlets didnt know what to do almost. You have this whole build yum and then, bam, it happened so fast. What draws to you politics so much . What do you enjoy . Well, i mean philadelphia a lot of cities are but i dont know. I grew up with a politically minded father and mother and then going to georgetown obviously almost ignited youre in the middle. Clinton was in often and came often and living in d. C. For four years. It sounds cheesy but, you know, i think its a very admirable profession. I think to actually give yourself over. And obama wrote about it in his book just about how sechless it is to become the president. Your life ends. And now because of, you know, social media and how were able to document peoples lives, you realize how much that is true. How true that is. It really is true. Its incredible how long mitt romney has been running for president. Lets hope that stops. Painful. Well take a break. Silver linings playbook. Did you say it looks like me . Thats what i thought. Thats what my mother says. Hes bipolar. Hes very messed up. We all are. I cant wait to see it. Im going to see it. If you see it, im going to fly and come back on. Lets have a conversation about the movie. Well do it. Bradley cooper, great to see you. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie will be on the show. Is he. Hell be here on morning joe. Have a good night. Here you go. You, too. Im going to dream about that steak. Im going to dream about that tiramisu. What a night, huh . But, um, can the test drive be over now . Head back to the dealership . [ male announcer ] its practically yours. But we still need your signature. Volkswagen sign then drive is back. And its never been easier to get a passat. Thats the power of german engineering. Get 0 down, 0 due at signing, 0 deposit, and 0 first months payment on any new volkswagen. Visit vwdealer. Com today. How theyll live tomorrow. 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Richard haass is here and we have Mark Halperin and mark meacham. We begin with a growing number of leading republicans trying to distance themselves from mitt romneys recent comments where he argued that president obama won reelection by offering, quote, gifts, or Government Services to minorities and young voters. The president s campaign did was focus on certain members of his base coalition, give them extraordinary financial gifts from the government, and then work very aggressively to turn them out to vote. Okay. So were going to now show the response to this from some leading republicans. The only thing ill say is where was this along the way . It was there. I mean, it was there. Its not like this is a revelation about romney. The 47 quote. He actually believed it. Okay. And he wasnt just doing analysis. That was his, i would say, twisted view of what he views conservativism to be. You write off 47 and try to squeeze out 3 . Its just sick. I know this is going to sound snarky but its a lot easier to say now, but it is being said. Bobby jindal came out strongly against romneys comments on wednesday and continued his criticism yesterday. Take a listen. This is completely unhelpful. This is not where the Republican Party needs to go. Look, we want if you want voters to like you, the first thing youve got to do is to like them first. And its certainly not helpful to tell voters that you think their votes were bought. Thats certainly not a way to show them you respect them, you like them. We need to stop talking down to voters. I truly believe people on food stamps, on government assistance dont want to be there. Theyre there because they dont have the ability to get better paying jobs. We need to grow the economy, give them the education, give them the opportunities to have a better quality of life. Then we have senator marco rubio of florida who offered a carefully worded reaction to romney telling politico, quote, i dont want to rebut him point by point. I would just say to you, i dont believe that we have millions and millions of people in this country that dont want to work. Okay. And a former mississippi governor, haley barbour, suggesting the whole Republican Party needs to do some, well, soulsearching. Take a listen. Weve got to give our political organizational activity, you know, a very serious proc it tology exam. We need to look everywhere, is my point. Yeah, but, you know what, i will say, and i dont hand you compliments often, but youve been saying this during the primary process it started. And now it seems to me that its great to hear these gentlemen coming forward and speaking truth to what mitt romney said, but you its just too easy right now. It should have been done in the primary process. Its like when i was talking about people in the conservative Entertainment Complex talking in ways that will never win. The suburbs of philadelphia, bucks county, pennsylvania, or the i4 corridor. In this case, Donny Deutsch, i said all along mitt romneys biggest problem wasnt that he was too conservative, its that he didnt understand conservatism like margaret thatcher, the shopkeepers daughter understood conservatism or Ronald Reagan, the alcoholic son that grew up in Middle America who actually believed like i believe, like a lot of conservatives believe that if you want to help everybody, if you want to help the 100 , what you want to do is you want to fight hard for their individual freedoms and give them the ability. Unshackle them from regulations, from high taxes, from centralized state. And thats the best way to move forward. We can have a debate over whether thats right or wrong. The problem is we didnt have that debate this time because mitt romneys view was such an insulated view of a guy who grew up rich and grew up in this insular world where his father ran Car Companies and was governor of michigan. This is a pivotal point. I think bobby jindal probably said it best. You have to turn you have to marry conservatism and populism. Theyre not on other sides of the map. Its all of a sudden, no, we help the little guy because thats the American Dream. Its not the opposite of the American Dream as far as entitlements and as far as victims. And thats a pivot point. And the republicans that get it are going to be part of a new brand i was arguing about the republicans need to rebrand themselves. Of course they do. A brand is a set of values and how you ar it particular late those values and the attributes you assign it. And its very, very clear the demographic fait accompli of where this world is going, until you can shift what is the current view of republicanism into the populist articulation of conservatism, visavis the American Dream, they will not get there. And, willie, it all starts at the top. It really does start at the top. In president ial years, for better or worse, the guy you nominate or the woman you nominate to run your party, to be the president ial candidate is the one that runs the party. And we had a guy in the Republican Party that just did not think like thatcher. Did not think lake reagan. Did not think like donny is talking about. Its interesting all these governors held their tongues throughout the campaign and now theyre hearing them. Its not just bobby jindal. It was bob mcdonald saying we need to be more flexible on the issue of taxes. Haley barbour said in the same event we saw in that clip, he said we just cant be purists about everything. The question i have is how do you win general elections without abandoning your Core Principles . People saying we need to 0 soften on abortion as well. How do you move to a place where you get 51 of the electorate without giving up what you believe . What do you think, richard . Its actually healthy. What you want to see is a Republican Debate about ideas. You cant have the lessons of why romney lost be about, quote unquote, gifts. You cant have it all be about ground game and political tactics. Thats a copout. Its like an army after losing a are war and you chalk it up to this or that sideshow. Republicans have to have a serious debate about ideas. What is their view of the economy now given whats going on . What is the proper role of government in this society . What is the role of the United States in the world . What did we learn from iraq and afghanistan . Lets have a serious debate, but lets not chalk it up to this or that democratic tactic or this or that failure to get the vote out. Thats avoiding any serious learning of lessons here. To jon meacham i would love to ask what Thomas Jefferson would do. What would jefferson do . Having said that, i also how do we whats the moving forward conversation to have . Because this, again, just shows how bad the candidate was or how much he didnt fit the conversation that needed to be had all along which, by the way, was a failure on both sides in the campaign. Jon . You know, whats fun sometimes in life and in politics is when you can make a vice a virtue. In this case the fact romney was not a good candidate and has now said this which totally ratifies his 47 comment, those of us who want him to think he was just talking about tactics, that he was late at night and he didnt really mean it, well, we were wrong. He really meant it. And i think the republicans to some extent are lucky in that they now have a total to use donnys term, words, by the way, i never thought i would say in that order it is a pivot point. You now have a nominee who absolutely embodies and has now said again something that you can play off of. You can define yourself against. You can become i would try to use the term Something Like im a 53 republican. We want to get to this story, gaza is on the verge of allout war developing over 0 the past 24 hours in response to repeated rocket attacks from hamas. Operatives in israel have begun mobilizing 30,000 reserve troops including armored tanks. Overnight the fight iing did no let up. Explosions rocked gaza city as israeli warplanes targeted hamas targets. Hamas vowing retaliation for the death of its military chief two days ago is escalating missile attacks deeper into israel. The Jerusalem Post reports Israeli Air Force has fired a rocket near the home of hamas Prime Minister. No one was reportedly injured. For the First Time Since the gulf war, more than 20 years ago, air raid sirens were triggered in the commercial capital of tel aviv sending residents running for cover. So far the longrange missiles fired from gaza have landed without damage there. Yesterday israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned that the military operation could significantly widen. No government would tolerate a situation where nearly a fifth of its people live under a constant barrage of rockets and missile fire. And israel will not tolerate the situation. I hope that hamas and the other terror organizations in it gaza got the message. If not, israel is prepared to take whatever action is necessary to defend our people. While egypts Prime Minister visited gaza today in a show of solidarity with hamas, israel agreed to pause attacks, but we keep hearing of more coming from there. Rich artd, your thoughts . Its possible it this escalates, but its hard for me to see how anybody benefits. Israel got out of gaza. Israel is a first world country, a first world economy. It doesnt want rockets raining down. It would be like rockets raining down on rockefeller center. They want to move beyond this. Also, this brings into play the israeli egyptian treaty this brings into play jordan. So the question is, why why did hamas choose to start firing rockets into israel the way they did . I think for hamas i think this for hamas is station identification. This is what hamas does. This is how it differentiates itself. It hasnt been able to deliver the goods at home to the Palestinian People in gaza. This galvanizes its base. It shows the difference that hamas, quote unquote, is doing something. It has credentials unlike the west Bank Palestinians who are seen as corrupt and not really offering a palestinian future. So they just started firing missiles into israel. Station identification for hamas. And what they now also hamas is less isolated. A year ago they would shoot missiles two years ago and Hosni Mubarak and others would say stop. Now suddenly hamas is close to egypt. So how do we pressure egypt . They want billions from us. They want billions from the imf. Well, thats the way you do it. The egyptians also have a stake in this not getting out of hand. Egypt doesnt want the relationship with israel to break down. Egypt doesnt want to forfeit its relationship with us. They have the 2 billion annually. The imf is not going to give them the money if they are seen as exactly. Sponsors of hamas, are they . What we have to make clear is you are no longer a party. You have to rein in people. Is the president passing that message along . I would certainly hope so. An entire relationship the age of unconditional american relationships with a lot of these regimes is over. The president , remember a few months ago during the campaign was asked in the telemundo interview, do you consider egypt an ally or adversary and he said neither . What we have done, we have ended the era of conditional relationships. It will depend how they treat their own people at home, whether they act responsibly beyond their borders. This is exactly the future of the middle east. I just want to clairify. There was no triggering event specifically for hamas to start raining missiles down on israeli civilians . This has been building up over the last few weeks and months. Its, again, a selfdefinition thing for hamas. When we come back, lets make a deal. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie joins us on set. And president of the American Federation of teachers Randy Weingarten here to explain the Landmark Education reform. Still ahead, historian and Award Winning filmmaker ken burns will be here as well. First, bill karins with a check on the weekend forecast. Bill . Mika, Mother Nature is giving us a break at least on the east coast and the middle of the country. The west coast not so lucky. Looks like your time to get rainy, Stormy Weather as we go throughout the weekend and the holidays. On and off showers around los angeles and a batch of moderate rain heading into San Francisco. San jose to San Francisco probably one of the wettest areas of california as we go throughout your morning commute today and look at los angeles. A chance of rain the next three days. The rain will be moving out and the weather will improve during the day on sunday. In other words many areas of the west a chance for damp weather but its a great looking weekend. And what you have today is pretty much what youre going to see all weekend long. Notice the weather pattern doesnt change. Temperatures continue to be seasonable in many areas of the country and theres no big storms heading to the east. 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Joining us now the republican governor of new jersey, governor Chris Christie, and president of the American Federation of teachers Randy Weingarten and Bradley Cooper. Yeah. Thank you to letting me stick around. Great movie, by the way. Have you seen it . I was watching it. Looks fantastic. Today the governor and the Teachers Union will announce a landmark contract offering merit pay bonuses to the teachers of newark so we can now, the three of us, or the four of us, or the five of us even, actually get along on something here. I love it. When it comes to education which is one of the hot button issues the past two years on this show but this is great news. So talk about what happened. What happened was the folks in newark, the superintendent and the president of the Teachers Union wanted to do Something Different. Randy and i were supportive of that. We control the newark state district, the state does. Weve taken it over so were the negotiators. I think weve all decided we need to do Something Different and not only does it provide merit bonuses and provide advancement based on merit but involves the teachers in the evaluation process as well. And so everybody got around the table and compromise d with eac other and now have created a system where its not no longer just seniority or degrees received but now its how you perform in the classroom. And that evaluation is not just done by the administration but teachers involved as well. Everybody has a stake in it and i think its going to improve the quality of education across the city of newark. So what you have here as the governor said is that you have both experienced matters and what you do matters. Its funny to me that people have focused on the one 5,000 bonus as opposed to the comprehensiveness of this new system. So what has been aligned is the work that you do every day. The experience that you carry into the classroom, and input at the school level so that this is a dynamic new contract thats fair thats fair to the teachers but is good for kids, and thats why it was, when people looked at it, thats why they voted it up by more than 60 . But i want to just say one other thing which is that in all of this sandy happened. And the governor did an extraordinary job in terms of all the work in new jersey. And, you know, this is the way government should work. Whether its a collective bargaining table or whether there is a disaster, you have lots of Public Employees who every single day are trying to make a difference in the lives of kids, the lives of the community. And here you have we worked hard at the table to come up with something that was good for newark. So, chris, what are you doing here . Youre hanging out with people in the Teachers Union, youre striking deals with the democratic legislation. Its not going to work with the base. You are being nice to the president of the United States who is coming to help people who have been rach of ravaged by a historic storm. What are you doing . My job. Listen, when randy and i first talked about this, i guess it was last february in washington. We were kind of at a stall point with the locals in terms of their negotiating. I said if you really want to do Something Different, if you really want to try to put merit into the system, im willing to negotiate with you. And we would do what we needed to do. And i think that she looked at me and said if youre willing, im willing. So i think, joe, what were doing is were showing people that i didnt abandon my principles. Randy didnt abandon her principles or the local but what we found a boulevard of compromise that exists between compromising principles with neither one of us would ever do and getting everything you want which youre never going to get. Youre never going to get. Theres always a boulevard between there. Sometimes broad, sometimes narrow. The job of a leader is to find the way up the boulevard and make progress for the people of your state. Because at the end of the day it was about every time we had a problem at the table, it was about what is going to work for the kids in newark and what the governor and the superintendent understood and joe degrasso, the leader, is an amazing leader of the union. But what we understood was whats going to work can enable teachers who we need to recruit, retain, and support to do their jobs for kids. And long term its not just individual teachers but its the community of newark. Congratulations to you both, honestly. Thats the other thing weve been talking about all along is that you want to reward good teachers. You want to reward teachers who excel in the classroom. This gives us a way to do it. I have to mention we wouldnt have been able to do this without Mark Zuckerberg and the 100 million grant from facebook that we raised money to match. The fact of the matter is these bonuses will be paid from the money that mark contributed almost two years ago now. And this is what he wanted. When he said to me when we got this together was, governor, use this to try to make a contract in newark that will be an example for the country. And when it was voted and affirmed this week, i have a text from mark saying thank you. You kept your end of the bargain. Im keeping mine. Thats the third part of the equation. Both sides getting along and the corporate as well. This is such an incredible example of what can be done. Public private partnership. Unions coming together. Its fantastic. Bradley, youre a philly guy. Its a suburb of jersey. Oh arent you glad you stayed . Seriously. Poor thing. Didnt you know the name of the show is good morning trenton. It is. The best is twh youre in california and everybody says theyre in philly and when you ask the followup, well, cherry hill. Youre not from philly. I have a question, so you make this decision, you guys come together, logistically speaking, whats the time line to be instituted . Immediately . Look, its a fiveyear contract, two years are gone already so theres a bunch of retroactive pay and they are working on it as we speak. The implementation is a really good question. The implementation is probably more important than the actual signing of the contract. Really truly in schools every single day theres going to be these new School Improvement committees. Were going to focus on how we not just recruit and retain teachers but how we mentor them, how we support them. Its something going on in a classroom, how you change that immediately so you dont wait for test scores at the end of the year. Its a really dynamic system. The newark teachers actually have more voice than theyve ever had before. Right now i was going to say psychologically, too, oh, someone has my back out there. And they have a role in it. They have a say in the way the teachers are evaluated and now principals feel like there is a way to reward the excellent teacher and let them know if you are highly effective, you prepare, you update, you make a difference in these kids lives, youre going to get paid in a way that teachers deserve to be paid. Im sorry. Back in school when you we went you took a class where you knew that you never raised your hand, you would never be called on so you would be fine. If you knew your teacher was the kind of guy or woman who would call on you, you would be prepared and that work will pay off. Its also for every level, it all starts with teachers. But its also the comprehensive nature of this new plan because its, you know, it is every Single Person who, you know, youre aligning, evaluation and experience because our job is for all kids, not just for some kids. And then the same thing i want to give props to newark as well because the teacher village was also created at the same time. So theres more teacher housing going on. Were doing more stuff with literacy. You and i have had this conversation. It really does take a community to actually raise children. Joe . Governor, a couple of quick questions. How is jersey doing after the storm . Ill tell you, we flew in last night. Its still depressing and flew over parts of long island. Just pitch black. It is a sad, sad scene out there and it is cold. Its the worst its the worst storm ever to hit the state of emergennew jersey in i history. We have thousands and thousands of people that are homeless who lost their homes during the storm. Now were past the immediate crisis. Power is back on to all new jerseyans. Clean water. 98 of our schools are open. The only ones not open are the ones that were destroyed. Other districts are picking up the slack for the kids to go to other districts. And then we have our roads open. Were still working on mass transit. The initial crisis is over but now its going to be about its the long slog of trying to rebuild. Trying to get peoples homes back. I tell you, i walked the jersey shore. Whats happening is just extraordinary. And you have a Great Partnership with the president. Hes done everything ive asked him to do so far. I have no complaints about that. At the end of the day, its going to have to be a partnership because no one state could rebuild itself after this kind of calamity. This is what the federal government is supposed to be there for in my view, instances like this, where no one state could do it. This is part of the reason the states created the federal government, remind everybody. The states created the federal government. Thats one of the reasons why. This is not something that i mean, whatever hes doing, and im glad you feel that everyone is coming to the table, its not going to be enough. No. Congress needs to come to the table now, too. As you know there will need to be a supplemental bill and money appropriated for the states to get this done. And get people back on their feet. So weve been talking about the Republican Party for some time and the failings of our party this morning. Weve been talking about mitt romneys most unfortunate Conference Call yesterday where he talked about barack obama winning because he gave, quote, gifts to minority groups. Youre seen as a leader. Do you agree with bobby jindal, it was a terrible thing to say and it was said terribly . Yeah, sure. Listen, i think the bottom line of what the conversation was, i was in lass vegas yesterday with the governors and what we all said was that its time to pivot and move on. The leaders of the Republican Party in america give you the republican governors and one of the reasons why you have 30 republican governors in america and why were the only organization to add republican strength, house lost members, senate lost members, we lost the presidency. We went up from 29 to 30 republican governors is because people see us getting things done like this. Getting things done for people. And thats what we have to emphasize and talk about. I dont think this is a core philosophical examination we have to go through. What this is, is about doing our jobs. And people expect that if they give you the privilege of serving. Do your job. So explain to voters who are listening out there to what mitt romney said. Explain why he was so wrong in his statement. You cant expect to be a leader of all the people and be divisive. You have to talk about themes, policies that unite people. And play to their aspirations and their goals and their hopes for their family and their neighbors. And i always think this is scapegoating after elections. When you lose, you lost. Someone asked me, why did mitt romney lose . Because he got got less votes than barack obama. Thats why. And the fact of the matter is more people in the country decided the president was the right way to go. I voted for mitt romney. The bottom line is we lost. Now what weigh need to do as leaders of our party is pivot and get back to our jobs. And if we do our jobs well, people will put us back into office. And if we dont, they wont. Is it time for mitt romney to move on and stop having Conference Calls . Thats up to him. Listen, mitt romney is a friend of mine. I understand he is very upset about having lost the election and very disappointed. Ive never run for president. Weve lost elections. Ive lost elections but never for the presidency. Im sure it stings terribly. But its not helpful, right . Of course not, joe, but hes a good man and he will find his level. And i think its still a little raw. So do i wish he hadnt said those things . Of course not. But on the other hand im not going to bury the guy for it. Okay, and randy, should we be looking for more examples of what you and governor christie did . Is this possibly the future evaluation and teacher bonuses . The import of this is you can solve problems through collective bargaining. If people are willing to get to the table and actually work things out, that is the best way to actually make schools better. And Bradley Cooper, were going to get pictures of mika actually watching your movie from beginning to end. And were going to test her to see if she can get the title right. Just the title. Oh, god. Its going to be fun. I cant wait to see this movie. Whats the name of the movie . No. Theres a little bit of all of us. Whats the name of the movie . Governor Chris Christie and randi weingarter in. Silver lines playbook is in theaters now. My daughter is going to think im so cool that i was on set with Bradley Cooper. You set me for the whole weekend. If only one direction was here you would be complete. A cool index because of you. It was one of the worst man made ecological disasters in American History. Filmmaker ken burns takes us next inside the dust bowl next on morning joe. I dont spend money on gasoline. I am probably going to the gas station about once a month. Last time i was at a gas station was about. I would say. Two months ago. I very rarely put gas in my chevy volt. I go to the gas station such a small amount that i forget how to put gas in my car. [ male announcer ] and its not just these owners giving the volt high praise. Volt received the j. D. Power and associates appeal award two years in a row. Dont know what id do id have nothing to prove id have nothing to lose [ male announcer ] zales is the diamond store. Take an extra 10 percent off storewide, now through sunday. It was just unbelievable. It would blister your face. It would put your eyes out. Well, i guess i cant describe it. It was just it was just constant. Just that steady blow of dirt. As far as you could see there was dust all coming right towards you. This giant wall just coming towards you. And you still had the feeling whether you would admit it that something was going to run over you and just crush you. That was a clip from the dust bowl a new pbs documentary directed by ken burns. Ken also cowrote the complementary book to the film the dust bowl. An illustrated story. Brian shactman who was up way too early back with us as well. You look ebbs haused. Your eyes are red. Seriously thats a good way you look like youve been through hell. It was good. You did a great job. A work of art, by the way. The way you do 0 it. Exactly. But i want to talk to mr. Burns, the pride of hamster college. Perfect. Thats why we have you here. So tell us about the film. It looks incredible. This is the worst man made ecological disaster. When we plowed up grass land that should have never been plowed up in the southern plains, buffalo fwras that held the soil, set down its roots five feet to hold the moisture. We expanded the homestead acts and folks got the greedy with the industrialized agriculture. They turned over the soil. They had some great, great, great wet years. They planted more and more, larger than the size of ohio. Ohio. That ever important state of ohio. And then all of a sudden the drought came in and the winds blew and it would pick up it wasnt just one storm. It was hundreds of storms over a tenyear apocalypse period. Ships wouldnt come in. Franklin roosevelt went like this and had oklahoma on his fingertips of his desk in the oval office n. One day one storm moved more dirt than in the ten years it took to excavate the panama cam and people were suffering from dust pneumonia. Kids were dying. It was an amazing holocaust that we forget about and this could happen again because were we have the drought right now, climate change. This was a specific man made disaster. Climate change now intensifies out of storms like sandy as the governor knows, and it intensifies the drought thats going on, you know, right now in the same section of the country. Now, more than ever, i think its really hit us and hit people who, you know, usually watch these store chris unfold on the periphery outside of their zone of comfort. Now we know. Mike barnicle, youve seen the film. Ive seen about 45 minutes of it. Thats the question, though, ken. A decade long, you know, rape of the land up through the gut of the country. That impacted the entire country. And god bless you, sadly for our culture, this is now a way for too many people to view history. Thats right. And to regard history. But how does it happen that an event of this nature and of this length, of this duration, and as youve indicated Franklin Roosevelt could sweep the dust off the desk in the oval office. How does it happen we are so ignorant . It is now a paragraph at best in a textbook or a cooperation of a photograph. We just think grapes of wrath, thats all about the Central Valley of california and all the troubles they had there. But the folks that stayed and tried to make a go of it over this tenyear period, its amazing. We found the last survivors of it. These were kids and teenagers during that period and their memories are no less accurate, no less searing and in some ways more poignant when they describe as if it happened yesterday the death of a little sister who they havent seen since early 1935 who was barely 2 years old. And then you realize as faulkner said, history is not was but it. And if you can access these memories, if you have the great gift of being present at express memory as we did in world war ii film, you suddenly go, my god, this is what it was like and then you can bore down, open up and find out what happened. Brian . Its true. I was a historyed over it in tw. Prohibition in the sense that there was stuff i hadnt seen and how difficult was it to find the footage, and did you uncover stuff that had never been seen . We asked folks i made appeals on all the pbs stations in those five state regions of oklahoma and texas and new mexico and colorado and kansas, the epicenter of the dust bowl and also the Central Valley. I asked for their pictures and home movies and for their memories. Them. The United States government when the president of the United States got oklahoma on his fingertips, you are going to go out and say whats going on and toumt it. And news reel Companies Went out. Thats what we do. This is the great fun of it, are the detective work of finding those extraordinary people. Theres no ordinary people when you see what floyd cohen, the guy with the eye patch you just saw, what he went through, the loss of his baby sister. Amazing. This is about a Natural Disaster over ten years that was man made and, therefore, avoidable. But its also a human story of heroic perseverance because you look at these people and no pun intended the grit, the ability to withstand. They were even bigger gamblers because of the dryness and they were always called next year people meaning if it was terrible this year, next year will be better. To do that ten years in a row, that tests your resolve. If the storm coming through 100 times a year and you cant even you wake up in the morning and the only clear place is the pillow where your head had been. You clear off the table and by lunch you can draw pictures on your dining room table again and its killing your kids, it takes a lot of guts to stay. And you capture the human side of this with these great characters, these great story tellers, these great faces. You can tell the top down story. I cant wait. It premieres on pbs sunday at 8 00 p. M. Eastern, 7 00 central. Everybody here, by the way, red sox red sox . Were undefeated so far this season. There is that. Ken burns, thank you very much. Were back in just a moment with much more morning joe. If we want to improve our schools. What should we invest in . Maybe New Buildings . What about updated equipment . They can help, but recent research shows. Nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. Lets build a strong foundation. Lets invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. Lets solve this. How theyll live tomorrow. 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