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coast. 7:00 down there in chile. seven of the miners, seven of 33 have now been pulled to safety. you see the excitement on the faces and the stunning amount of energy. the miners all look healthy. they will, of course, be evaluated as they come up. this is video of the first couple that came out. we're expecting number eight to come up shortly. i'm willie geist in new york. joe and mika are off. richard has is here from the council on foreign relations. mike barnicle is here. and chris jansing who has been covering this story live on the air for the last seven hours or so. >> good morning. >> bring us up to speed, chris. a lot of us slept through the early parts of this. >> i can't imagine. >> people are glued to the tv sets last night. >> it was really exciting. you don't usually get a story where the newsroom stops because we're all jaded journalists, frankly. it was shortly after midnight local time. so just after 11:00 here that the first of chile's 33 trapped miners was pulled to safety, marking the beginning of the end in what has been more than a two-month ordeal. this morning, seven of the men have made the ascent out of the mine. for more let's go to nbc's natalee morales who hasn't slept in days. we shared an exciting moment together. >> neither have you, chris. >> as we were watching the miners being pulled out. >> it really was thrilling. the excitement in the air was palpable. >> i've got to tell you, i don't think i've ever experienced anything more exciting. to know this is still going to be the scene that we see over and over again, i'm watching now live as they are now going through the eighth rescue here. the man who will be brought up is claudio jan nez, has two daughters. single. his partner, christina nunez proposed to him via a letter while he was down there in the mine. so all eagerly awaiting his arrival there. chris, with each rescue, we've seen a lot of hugs. we've seen tears. i think probably one of the most memorable was the very first rescue of florence i don't avalos when we all realized that, yes, this truly is happening. this miracle that everybody talked about, and that over 1,000 people worked for and the families have agonized over the last 70 days. it is happening. and it has been a successful operation the whole night. nothing has gone wrong. they've had to do some maintenance every now and again on the rescue capsule. but that's all expected. they've had to change out the wheels. but it is -- it has all gone off without a hitch. i believe you're looking live there at number eight. claudio janez just making his way out of the rescue capsule, all looking remarkably great. we were talking about it during the overnight hours how they all come out clean-shaven and looking like they're in incredible shape. of course, all these precautions have been taken to ensure that they do well in that capsule. they're wearing their sunglasses now as we're almost eight hours into this rescue operation. daylight is starting to break here. so those sunglasses are going to be all that more necessary here. but of course they're trying to make a gentle transition back to the real world. getting hugs by his long-term partner there, christina nunez. this never gets old. i will sit here and watch these hugs and these tears and every time it almost brings me to tears. as i mentioned, she proposed to him, and he, of course, said yes. and they have two daughters together. so a remarkable moment. and she's sharing it with the love of his life right now. >> there have been so many life changes for these miners throughout the course of this. there's another man who actually -- a miner who proposed to his girlfriend. she said yes. but her dad said not so fast. we're waiting to hear if dad will give the okay to that. there are a couple of folks who had birthdays. one of the early miners who came up, i think it was jimmy sanchez, actually has just a month's old baby who was born while he was down in the mine. is that right? >> it's actually tacona. the baby named esperanza named after this mine here. originally she was going to be named catalina. they both decided, you know what, we've got to change the name. it should be esperanza and very appropriately so. she became really a simple of sort of the rebirth that is happening. as we were talking, chris, overnight, a lot of the families have said that's exactly what they're experiencing. it seems like seeing their loved ones again is almost a birth all over again. >> we're watching him getting loaded on the stretcher. he will be heading the the triage center. on average they lost 18 to 20 pounds. florencio av lowe's wife said you look better than ever, like you just came back from a vacation. he may feel a little differently about that. talk a little bit about what faces them now. some have already been airlifted to hospitals. is that right? >> that's correct. that process has already started. we've seen the helicopters flying over already. the first couple of groups of the miners have already been taken to copiapo regional hospital where they'll get a much more thorough evaluation. you're talking about their condition. i think claudio yanez looks very thin there. you notice their skin tone is very, very pale as you would expect after being underground for 70 days. other than that, the energy we've seen, i think the one that was probably the most energetic was mario sepulveda, the audience here calling him super mario because he came out with fist chumps. he was chanting the on going chand that we're hearing over and over again as each one is rescued here, chris. the camp breaks out into that cheer and they break out into chile's >> it's never going to get old. this is the scene played out over and over and until number 33 who is going to be louise la sewell la will bring everyone to their knees. >> thank you so much, natalee. we'll keep watching as these rescues continue. >> it's amazing how healthy they look. we knew they were getting supplies, food and water down there. the energy they had -- i know they're running on adrenaline. >> an interesting parallel to world war ii. there were british soldiers forced to eat nothing but vegetables for several months. they all lost weight and all that. they came back and started putting them back on all the jam and butter and the rest. their health actually got worse after they got rescued, they went back to a normal british diet. >> nasa got involved in this because they know a lot obviously about people being in confined spaces for long periods of time because of the international space station. they have been feeding them protein shakes and they've been very careful about making sure they're doing cal thennics. a lot of them have continued to work. for example, when they were drilling the hole and some of the rocks were coming down. they had to clear that out. so they've been working, keeping them on kind of a normal schedule. some of them probably are in the best shape of their lives. >> willie sees a follow-on book. >> what to be stuck in a windowless studio for hours on end. >> similar to a mine. mike, these are incredible pictures. >> this is exactly what we need. in a business and a nation right now where we wall low in cynicism, where we just sit around, as you said, chris, so jaded, that nearly every story, especially with regard to politics. this is real. this is now. this has a potentially really happy ending with live pictures being shown in this country. this is exactly what we need. >> 1 billion people they estimate watched that first rescue around the world. and chilean television was saying how much it meant to that country. they've always said they felt like they were in the shadow. it's brought together bolivia and chile because one of the miners that recently came over, in the mine the five days, his fifth day of work. it collapses. now the president is coming to see him in the hospital. there actually now are new talks between bolivia and chile who had this border dispute going on. so there's always sorts of positive things that are coming about. it is nice, auz yas you say, mike. to celebrate a happy story. >> for americans who know how to use the p.i.p. picture, you could watch cliff lee beat the texas rangers and the mining -- >> we know where your head is at. >> you know it's a big story when north korea sent their state media. they broke away from making stories about jong-il. >> chill lei has been the poster child of the kind of modernization, particularly in south america. it's democratic, market oriented. it's been the country we have pointed to for several decades as the example. it's actually nice and strategically actually good. good news is happening to the country that we and others have held up as the way to go. >> chris, you mentioned nasa playing a role in helping these men, these miners through their ordeal. do we know what the international effort was in behalf of extracting these miners? >> an american n company based in berlin, pennsylvania, is the one that drilled the hole. >> the actual drillers were from there. when they get into that capsule, they're actually strapped around their abdomen with all sorts of monitors that will regulate their breathing, their blood pressure, all that as they're coming up. they were concerned about the stress on their bodies. that, i believe, is from a texas company. they were very worried. this isn't like an elevator shaft. it has a few curves in it when you go down into the mine. so they actually have the kind of cable that they use in some ski lifts. that came from germany. they have had expertise literally coming in from all around the world. a lot of it from canada and the united states and england which has large mining population sgls it sounds as if the shaft they're extracting the men from is like a luge run. it twists and turns. >> they've actually compared it to a sled, an olympic luge sled because -- it also rotates which is one of the reasons they were worried about their orientation. there's a little rotation when they're coming up in addition to the movement which is a little bit of twist and turn in it. and we should also say, we were talking about the fact that they had to do some maintenance. there are wheels on it which previous capsules have not had. the reason is only the very top of it actually has the inner core of metal. the rest of it is rock. so it's not like the rescues that they've done before where they were able to put a metal shaft all the way down. this is incredibly complex. never been a rescue anywhere near this deep. never been men kept alive this long trapped. they're basically buried alive half a mile under the earth. >> the company is called center rock, inc., out of berlin, pennsylvania. they worked on the cuecreek rescue in 2002. they drilled the whole down and left chile. we won't celebrate until all the miners are out. >> globalization sometimes can be good. >> absolutely. we'll keep our eyes on this. again, we have eight of the 33 miners up now. the eighth just came to the surface. this is a process -- i guess the first one came out around 11:00 eastern time last night. seven hours ago. still a long way to go. through eight, everyone is healthy and happy. let's hope it continues that way. this is an ongoing story. we'll bring you live pictures as the miners continue to come up. a lot of other news to get to. some politics including a fiery debate in california last night around whore-gate. shaping angle's campaign is calling it one of the most successful fund-raising efforts either. that's next in the politico playbook. but first here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good wednesday morning, willie. we are looking at chilly conditions out there. northern great lakes through new england. a little frost out there on the pumpkin. 36 in hartford. 36 in albany. the heat island effect around new york at 56. d.c. at 56. a cool, crisp fall morning. sun my skies from d.c. northward. if you're in the ohio valley and the southeast, that's not the forecast for you. here is the deal. today gorgeous, tomorrow not so nice. the rain moves in. could be heavy at times around d.c. with thunderstorms. and then on friday, new england looks really ugly with a nor'easter blowing around. forecast in the middle of the country, today looks fantastic. much of the west coast, look at san francisco, one of the hottest spots in the country. record highs expected around 93. you're watching "morning joe," brewed by starbucks. ♪ ♪ every day, it's getting closer ♪ ♪ going faster than a roller coaster ♪ ♪ love like yours will surely come my way ♪ ♪ a-hey, a-hey-hey ♪ every day, it's getting faster ♪ [ male announcer ] at&t and blackberry have teamed up to evolve the smartphone. business, meet fun. fun, business. at&t. rethink possible. this is moments ago, the eighth miner coming out of the san jose nine chile. still 25 to go. we have 8 of the 33 that have now reached the surface. we've been covering this live with chris jansing. >> they look like rock stars with the sunglasses. >> again, looking in remarkably good health. they will get medical attention this morning. so far, so good. we're expecting number nine to come out within the next hour or so. other news to tell you about. the "wall street journal," the obama administration tuesday lifted its controversial moratorium on deep water oil drilling in the gulf of mexico. republicans and gulf coast democrats had attacked the ban for putting thousands of jobs at risk. "st. petersburg times," some want kendrick meek to quit the senate race in florida realizing splitting votes with charlie crist will give marco rubio a win. arizona star, the governor's race is turning personal. blog posts suggest jan brewer has an unreported medical problem that could keep her from serving out her full term elected in november. the brewer campaign blames her democratic rival terry goddard for fanning the rumors and responding with a counterpunch suggesting goddard might be gay. i'll see your medical problem and raise you a gay. oh, man. this is just absurd, politics in america. the detroit news, governor jennifer granholm vetoed a bill that would have allowed liquor sales early sunday morning and on christmas. come on. that's drinking days. with us, chief white house correspondent for politico mr. mike allen with a look at the morning playbook. >> good morning. >> yesterday, reporting that sharron angle raised $14 million over the last three months in her effort to knock off harry reid. you say she still has yet to win support from a lot of republicans in her own state. >> she does. it's normal that after a primary everybody rallies around the republican nominee. you figure you're stuck with them for better or for worse. that's not happening in nevada. in nevada you're having republicans really going at each other about whether or not they should support sharron angle. it's very surprising because she has a remarkably good chance. harry reid still far under 50% and we've talked about his strategy which is to push up that "none of the above" vote. so he thinks he could win with only 43%. sharron angle still very much in the hunt. on thursday, a debate between these guys is going to be big. there's always the chance that sharron angle is going do say something unhelpful, to say the least. so both sides just trying to avoid disaster with that debate. >> mike, your friend and ours, mark halperin sent us an e-mail saying he was impressed by the number she's put up financially saying the right is truly energized against reid. he said given the drift of polls and the fund-raising he at this point makes her a slight favorite to beat reid. what do you make of that? >> at this moment, people will tell you that. the republicans are a little worried about what's going to happen in the debate. but when she was -- got the nominee, people said, okay, leader reid is safe. maybe he's the favorite now. that switchback and i agree with that. in washington people say the election held today, harry reid would probably be noblgd off. the first lady, michelle obama hitting the campaign trail today for the first time since 2008. you have some exclusive details on what she'll say. what should we expect? >> she's going to call herself the bomb in chief when she goes out there. that simple phrase shows you she's not going to be the attacker. she's going to talk about military families, about struggling families, about her husband's accomplishments. she's going to leave the bashing to joe biden. she has a heavy schedule coming up. she'll be in milwaukee today, a big fund-raiser for senator feingold. if you want your picture taken, want to be in the zip recession, tickets start at $500, up to $30,000. $400 a couple if you want to help the illinois democrats. >> that's a lot of love for the first lady. we know she had been reluctant to get out on the campaign trail. is it fair to say she had to be pushed out the door to go campaign for democratic candidates? >> democratic candidates have wanted her to do it for a long time. she's doing it in a limited way, keeping to her schedule because of the girls. politico's amy parnes was told she would do more telephoning, especially women voters, younger voting. so love for joe scarborough from michael who tweeted love joe's column in politico. the headlines should be "tell him to shut up." his column says newt gingrich was not helping himself or the republican party with some of his statements. >> joe has been saying that for quite some time. the only thing newt is helping right now is his book sales. thanks so much. we appreciate it. 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tim lincecum versus roy halladay. >> so much great pitching in the play-offs, all four teams. who do you like in the world series? who is going? >> i have an instinct based upon nothing other than my instinct, the rangers against the phillies. i think the left-handers are going to give the can't keys some trouble. >> you're entitled to your opinion. >> yanks experienced. rangers look too happy to get to the next phase. yankees did not. that tells you all you need to know. >> phillies look scary, by the way. >> notice he didn't ask the woman. is there sexism going on here? >> i was going to ask you because you were nodding your head about cliff lee. >> i saw you nod. i thought you were picking the rangers. >> i have nothing to say now. is it somebody playing baseball? is it football season? >> giants pitching is good as well. >> i haven't a clue. i'm afraid to sit in this room and say, as a good cleveland indians fan, anybody but the yankees. ouch. >> fair enough, fair enough. you have to say things like that when you're and indians fan. >> we talk a lot. we don't produce very much. scary moment for the miami heat last night. in the third quarter during the preseason game, lebron james, uh-oh, limped off the court holding his right leg. speaking of cleveland, chris jansing is hising at lebron james. he left the game, went to the locker room, didn't return. it was a leg cramp. we built it up again. as a precaution he'll be held out of tonight's game with the hornets. this comes only a week after dwyane wade was sidelined with a pulled hamstring. in september the versus network announced an exciting new show, t ocho show. a talk show hosted by bengals wide receiver and part time reality stars, chad ocho cinco, the man who changed his name from chad johnson, and terrell owens. they were talking about brett favre's alleged text messages, the whole scandal surrounding that. >> i've always heard that where there's smoke there's fire. so right now, he's in a cloud of smoke right now. >> so in this situation, the allegations are basically smoke. there's got to be a fire somewhere? 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[ monkey cheeps ] ♪ maryland residents can save up to $780 while funds last. welcome back to "morning joe." 6:39 in the east coast. 7:489 in chill lei. that is a live picture. they're loading up number nine, mario gomez. eight have reached the surface safely without incident. they look surprisingly healthy when they come out. obviously running on adrenaline. we're looking at number nine entering the capsule. chris jansing, you've been covering this all night. >> they said they hoped they would get some sleep. they wanted them to be rested when they got to the top. who is going to sleep? a little excitement going on down there after 70 days now. >> we've seen great scenes, one by one, as the eight have emerged from that capsule. the one they're calling super mario exploding into a cheer, firing up the kroed. chanting "chile, chile." >> he had a sprinkling of gold dust and handed one to the chilean president who gave him a big bear hug. it's remarkable scene and the idea that people all around the world. you mentioned north korea, russia, finland, 1,1,200 journalists there. >> coming out at a rate of about one every 45 minutes. >> every 45 minutes to an hour. they had a little delay. every four or five or so, they'll check the capsule and make sure the wheels are all good. they'll do a little mini maintenance, and that delays them another 15 or 20 minutes. it started about 11:00 eastern time. so it was seven hours ago. they're coming up on the ninth. so about 45, 50 minutes a person. >> i think, t.j., is this super mario, mario sepulveda? you'll see him firing up the crowd, leading the cheers. it's striking, the spirit they have. they've been waiting for this moment for 2 1/2 months. they have a lot of adrenaline built up. they look well, richard. >> they do. it's nice to see and this will be important. in chile it will actually be a real boost for morale and the psychology of an entire country. >> the experts we talked to say it's a testament to the fact that they were patient. there was a lot of pressure to get them out as fast as they k. who can't understand that push? the truth of the matter was this is an extraordinarily technically difficult situation. they wanted to make sure they got it right. so far, so good. >> it will be fascinating now, mike, to hear the stories, what went on down there. what was the pecking order? how did they survive day today, moment to moment for 2 1/2 months. >> we sit here as part of the most impatient culture the world has ever known where people get upset and deep horns at drive-through windows at mcdonald's. these guys have been under ground for 2 1/2 months living together, not knowing whether they would be saved or not. the end result is what we are watching here this morning, pictures that again point to what we do best in this business. the news business. we're bringing you this story as it happens. it's a story that fortunately puts smiles on people's faces which i think all of us need at this dreary point in our political season. this is a real story involving real human beings. there's no cynicism here. there seems to be multiple happy endings occurring right in front of our eyes. just what we need. with that let's turn back to the dreary political season. some cynical, horrible debates last night. we will stay with this as we wait for the number nine miner. he's being loaded as we speak. we'll bring you live pictures as he comes to the surface. >> a reality check. >> there is political business to be done. indeed. the final debate between republican meg whitman and democrat jerry brown. here is a shock. it was full of personal attacks featuring tankless over tax breaks. the sharpest exchange came over the recent reporting of someone in the brown campaign calling whitman a, quote, whore." they were directed at her attempts to gain a union endorsement. tom bow kau asked brown to publicly address it. >> we heard nothing from you as to the use of that word. have you been in charge of the investigation of your campaign to find out who was responsible for using that phrase? >> i don't agree with that comparison, number one. number two, this is a five-week-old private conversation picked up on a cell phone with a garbled transmission, very hard to detect who it is. i don't want to get into the term and how it's used. i will say the campaign apologized promptly and i affirm that apology tonight. >> mike, you're shaking your head at that explanation. >> jerry is an angry candidate. there's a lot to be angry about if you're in california. you could not handle that more poorly than jerry brown handled it. >> can't get a straight apology it seems. >> it's very rare anymore that you can get surprised. that answer actually surprises me. it wasn't as if it was a trick question or unexpected. he had weeks to prepare. that's his answer, to keep the story not only alive but make it worse. that is stunning. >> gave whitman a chance to answer back. we've got that as well. >> i think every californian and especially women know exactly what's going on here, and that is a deeply offensive term to women. >> can i interject. have you chastised your chairman pete wilson who called the congress whores to the public sector unions? >> you know that better, jerry. that's a completely different thing. the fact that you're defending your campaign, the fact you're defending your campaign for a slur and a personal attack on me, i think it's not be fitting of california, not befitting of the office you're running for. >> the most recent poll has brown ahead 50-43 percent. >> i don't know i'd keep going down the path. >> make it go away rather thanks hey, there's a little gasoline. >> no. i was using a different kind of whore. let it go, jerry. the senate debate just as nasty, sparring over personal character, job creation and professional wrestling. blumenthal attacked linda mcmahon for programming he says markets sex and violence to children. mcmahon acknowledged that while wwe pushed the envelope over the years, she's proud of how the company has become more family friendly. the republican hit at blumenthal's credibility. >> the people of connecticut know me, and they have taken the measure -- they've take ten measure of my character over 20 years in the fights i've fought and won, the battles i've taken on for their interests. >> i just want to go back for a minute, when you talked about the people of connecticut know you. they know now that you have a difficult time telling the truth. they know you had a hard time -- >> please, please, ladies and gentlemen. >> chris, i'm begging you. put the miners back on. >> make it stop? >> keep going. there was this new ad released by the mcmahon campaign. it once again knocks blumenthal for falsely claiming -- that's what the reference was about, not being able to tell the truth -- falsely claiming that he fought in vietnam. >> dick blumenthal said he served in vietnam. he said it again and again. >> it wasn't true. >> dick blumenthal never went to vietnam. >> he said he misspoke. >> what about the soldiers who gave their lives in vietnam. >> and those who were never the same. >> it's a matter of duty. >> of honor. >> of trust. >> and not, mr. blumenthal, a matter of politics. >> i'm linda mcmahon and i approve this message. >> the latest poll shows mcmahon trails blumenthal 43% to 49%. >> it will be interesting after the elections happen, what did people vote on? will it be unemployment and the rest and these character issues? i don't know what answer will be. i'm awfully curious to see what will motivate people to come out and vote. >> a strange political season when we're fighting vietnam and professional wrestling within one race. incredible. >> that's why we like the miners. >> i want to point out one thing as we go to break here. joe was scheduled to be here today as he always is. his father who has been ill over the last four months or so, back in the hospital now. joe went down to florida to be with his dad last night. we're certainly thinking about joe, his father and entire scarborough family, wishing him a quick recovery. we look forward to seeing joe back here and seeing his father back in good health. coming up, "the daily beast's" tina brown will be here. also donny deutsch. plus the vote heard round the world. bristol palin versus the situation. only one can survive. who was it? that's coming up in news you really, really can't use. stay with "morning joe" for the latest on the less cue of the miners in chile. these are live pictures as we're waiting for number nine to reach the surface. we'll show you live when we come back. 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"dancing with the stars," two of our personal favorites at "morning joe," bristol palin and "the situation." america didn't love him as much as we do. neither did the judges on "dancing with the stars." they were the last two last night mining one of them would go. it came down to a dramatic announcement. who would survive to dance another week? bristol or "the situation?" >> "the situation" and karina. >> i tried to practice and this is definitely hard. and at the same time on "jersey shore," you get a keyhole of who i am. in "dancing with the stars" you got to see the whole situation. >> the situation lost. bristol palin stays on "dancing with the stars." >> this is the decline of western civilization. >> how do you feel about "the situation" making $5 million this year. what does that say about our culture? >> the marketplace clearly is flawed. >> something wrong with capitalism. >> makes you want to do your sit-ups there. >> it does. get a gnc deal. >> mike, i didn't catch what you were reading. >> that's an attractive cover. >> actually this is a perfect tie-in to the great story we've been covering this morning. willie's book "american freak show" available at book stores everywhere. >> stop it, stop it. >> you might not know this, but nine miners down in chile have been extracted, 24 left. basically they got through this ordeal because the men from berlin, pennsylvania, the mining company that helped extract them, set up the apparatus that did extract them sent them galleys of "american freak show" and that got these men through this ordeal. >> it was translated for them. again, the story is not about me, but the facts are the facts. we helped them through it. >> if i wanted to get a signed copy, where could i go? look at that. a book signing. >> this is getting really bad. tonight, 7:00, barnes & noble, 82 and broadway if you want to come out, get a book, have a few drinks. mike barnicle might stop by. >> it's actually the subway stop. but close enough. >> it's not inside. >> get there early. the line will be long. >> that was even more elaborate live. richard haass, we'll talk to you soon. up next, a live report from chile on the miner rescue. the real facts on that story and live coverage of the ninth miner now any moment away from coming up out of that shaft. that's next on "morning joe." i do a lot of different kinds of exercise, but basically, i'm a runner. last year. 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down there. >> it's been a remarkable night. through all of it, in the days and weeks leading up to this, nbc's kerry sanders has been there. i have to say as we see mario gomez lifting his arms and the cheers going up. even though it's number nine, it never gets old. >> reporter: it does not get old. what drama. look at him holding up the flag. i spent time with his daughter, 20-year-old romino and granddaughter, 1 1/2-year-old carlo. it has been a very long ordeal for her, wondering if her father was going to get out, when her father was going to get out. and now, seeing the fact that he has made it to the surface, the tears and the thrills of each family, shared with the nation and with the world, truly an engineering feat, but also just incredible fortitude and strength of 33 men who somehow were able to figure out what they needed to do in those first 17 days when there was no contacted and they survived on two days of ration of peaches and some tuna, each man having two spoonfuls a day. then the breakthrough, and then eventually the americans pushing through with a wide enough of a deep shaft to get to the men. now we're watching flawless rescue, one after the other, after the other. the president of bolivia is coming here today, eva morales because one of those rescued is from bolivia, the other 32 from chile. the cheering has continued all night. there's a lot of bleary eyes. everyone is running on adrenaline. it was particularly cold last night into the 30s, but the warm blood coarsing through the veins of this nation has kept everybody warm, thrilled and truthfully joyous after what has been a crisis and really a long, long ordeal. needless to say, because the first rescue happened shortly after midnight here, each one of these men will have spent 70 days below the earth en tombed down there. if the rescues continue as they are, which take about an hour, by the time they get the capsule organized, down, pick up, one of the miners back up and do it all again, we'll see this probably go into day 71 for a couple of the miners still down below there. >> kerry sanders, thank you so much. it really is a remarkable thing to see. we saw him falling to his knees. many of the niners talking about the fact that their faith has been strengthened and their families talking about how their faith allowed them to get through this. all of them looking pretty good. some of them have had health problems, skin problems. some of them have had pain because of dental problems. they've all looked really good. >> this man, mario gomez, the oldest, 63 years old. he worked in mines since he was 12 years old, suffered many accidents, missing three fingers, in fact. this is all he's known his entire life. remarkable pictures there, on his knees. tina brown joins us, the editor in chief, at "the daily beast." >> you know what i found really inspiring about it? there's so many inspiring things, but one of the most inspiring facts to me was the fact that all the things that were sent down that pipe to the miners, all the things they wanted, the nutrients, messages, nobody asked for depression medication. the psychiatrist never had to send down depression medicine. i thought isn't this an incredible thing that we're a country frankly that is so medicated and cushioned about so much. and then when looking at these guys who don't even ask for depression medication and kept themselves fit and their psychological strength and the way that the leader emerged in that wonderful kind of organic way that leaders emerge, and the president, who stepped up and risked his political capital. ever bod think was taking big risks, and it was so sort of visceral and tremendous. >> actually, you know, that observation will probably be studied by sociologists in the years ahead because it gets to the strength of the core unit, something this country used to have as a population. we didn't need depression medication as a nation during world war ii. we need it now because what we experience every day in our political news. but the stlengt of the core unit is something that can sustain everyone. >> we want to bring in now one of the world's leading chilean mining experts, pat buchanan. he's with us down in washingto . pat, good morning to you. >> good morning, willie. >> we've been talking about what a refreshing story this is in the middle of this ugly political season. >> that's exactly right. i was thinking the same thing. the authenticity and reality of what they went through, these individuals with the whole world watching, whether they'll survive, whether this is going to work out. after 70 days, have them come to the surface and compare that, if you will, with the art fishlality of what's going on in our politics and the nonsense of it here in america, i think the contrast is very dramatic between what's going on in the two countries. it is good to know that the americans were very involved apparently in helping those fallows get out of there and they moved away and let the people in that country rejoice in their own moment. >> pat is talking about the mining company, center rock, inc., based in berlin, pennsylvania, they provided the drill, they left a couple days ago because they wanted the moment to belong to the people of chile. one of the executives of that company saying everyone wanted to be there who drilled the hole. we had to do the right thing and back off. this truly, tina, has been an international effort. >> that international effort is a wonderful metaphor for the way we would like to be. i thought it was inspiring, too, this american company, they've behaved so superbly. they lobbied the chilean government to go with this plan b. the technology, the celebration of the engineering is another thing that we should really be thinking about, about how important it is to back these companies and to treasure our scientists and engineers and the things that we really need as a country to produce this kind of incredible, real result. >> those men returned home to pennsylvania yesterday morning after spending 37 days in the rescue effort. chris, you've seen now nine of these. i can tell the ninth hasn't struck you any less than the first that you saw about eight hours ago. >> i still find it very emotional. i don't know how you can't when you think about, first of all, those 17 days, imagine not knowing if your loved one is alive or dead. and they're down there not knowing if anyone really is ever going to be able to get to them. and the extraordinary resilience that they have shown, the faith, the community coming together, the way they've supported each other, remarkable. and really, this international effort that has been shown, whether it's the cable coming in from germany to help go on that winch and lift this up. we mentioned the pennsylvania company. there's another company from the united states that has all the monitoring equipment that is making sure that as they're coming up, that they're doing well physically and emotionally. and really the journalists who have come from all over the country, and on chilean television, because we were monitoring it all night, they said how important it was that they knew people around the world were watching them, were rooting for them, praying for them. we mentioned it, everyone from north korea to russia to finland, all around the world they sent journalists there. people, a billion of them watching these rescues. remarkable. >> do we know why -- apparently the weakest among the miners were not extracted first? >> because if there was a problem -- they wanted to make sure that that capsule, everything was going to run smoothly. so the first four, they brought down medical experts. they were actually military medical experts that went down. and then the first four up were healthy. they had a sense that everything was good. they made a few adjustments, they did a little tweaking on the wheels, and then they started to bring up the ten who were considered to have some medical problems, feeling very confident they could do that. >> the courage involved, the people that went down to help them. i also think about what the 12 minutes would have been like in that capsule, is this thing going to fall in on them? the ones left behind, i mean the last one up, it's going to be so emotional for him. he'll be the last one. the leader has been so extraordinary, the way he has emerged to bring everybody's spirits together. >> that moment is going to be unbelievable. >> pat, we don't want to get too far ahead of themselves. we have 24 men that have to make their way out of the mines, happening at a rate of about one every hour. we have another day ahead of us. we've been talking this morning this is a triumph of american and international ingenuity, human ingenuity to drill down properly without incident, to design a capsule that can rescue these men and really a terrible incident, hopefully to have a happy ending. >> it's an extraordinarily unifying thing for people all over the world. a lot of us have been following it in the newspapers, hearing about these guys 2,000 feet down there and watching and hearing about suddenly they're going to be out. it's not going to be december, but it's going to be october and all that. i tell you, the movement, the moment that really sort of caught it for me quite frankly, it almost pulls tears out, when you see super mario getting out of that capsule and leading the whole gang in cheers, you know. here is a guy that's been down there 70 days in the hole the side of a room in somebody's house with 33 other guys. >> this is him here, pat. >> this is mario sepulveda, 40-year-old. >> he burst out of that capsule. >> he could not contain his enthusiasm. this is reality tv. >> we also feel sometimes, we also degrade heroism by overhyping and celebrating. no offense to captain sullenberger who landed a plane with a lot of giese, we went so over the top about something like this. this is like the real heroism. this is the real thing. >> i would say captain sully did a pretty good job, saved 160 people's lives with no power. >> he did a great job. we celebrated it for months on end. >> what we have done in this country, and we do it over and over and over again each week is deb base the word hero on sports. he was the hero of game seven, the hero of sunday's football game. these people aren't heroes. they're paid mercenaries who flit from team to team to team. these are here rowic people. >> their individual stories are so remarkable. one who lost his job, was looking for stuff to do, he was a temp. when i tell pd, i was typing. he was a temp worker. he didn't like it. he didn't feel safe there. he had to earn a living. 19-year-olds were down there, 60-plus-year-olds down there. these are really hard working, god-fearing family men. and day in and day out they did their job for between $8,000 and $18,000. talk about the disparity. as we as a society put a monetary value on stuff, how many hundreds of thousands they'll give for a lindsay lohan. >> wedding pictures of a celebrity. >> exactly. >> actually, very interesting thing will be not just this -- obviously this story will be the story of the century in terms of books and movies. but what happens next with these guys and the impact on their lives and how they're obviously going to be incredibly celebrated figures. what happens after that? i think it's a very, very amazing story all around. >> i think super mario might have a future. his family is already pushing him as a reality tv host. >> chris brings up a good point. a lot of people forget this. for 17 days after august 5th, nobody knew what was going on. people feared the worst. we've seen so many pictures of them and those cameras underground, that's what we remember. but there were 2 1/2 weeks where a lot of people, frankly, assumed they had been lost. >> not only people up here assumed they had been lost naturally, but what did those guys think down there for 17 days, 2 1/2 weeks, no contact with anyone, not knowing that you're alive there and your family doesn't know you're alive. is anybody coming down there for you? that's what is tremendously extraordinary about these men. notice the comradery, band of brothers comradery. again, mario comes over and is hugging all those other miners, they really are a specific group and type of men that do this sort of thing. as chris was saying, they're down there deep under some mountain working and risking their lives and all of the sudden they're about to lose it. it's an extraordinary thing. it's not almost -- i mean the world we live in up here except for very few of us. >> we see our military take those kind of risks, unbelievable risks. we don't ever celebrate people of this nature enough. >> these are live pictures, the capsule being prepped to go down for the tenth of the 33 miners. this process from start to finish taking anywhere between 45 minutes to an hour. we'll see number ten up at the surface. pat makes a great point because we see this in our domestic mining disasters. you see these communities, these mining communities, weather west virginia or pennsylvania coming together and they're families. no other way to put it. >> well, unfortunately those communities whether talking about cabin creek, west virginia orr down in chile, those communities maintain a cohesiveness. we leave. the news media leaves, our attention span leaves. and i'd like to think that a month from now this story will still bring a smile to the faces of people in united states or around the world because it's a global story right now. i hesitate to think, though, that it will. because we just are so caught in the moment that we will lurch onto "the situation" and what happened to him in losing "dancing with the stars." something will happen to take our minds and our eyes off of a legitimate story that brings out the best in our business, the news business, puts a smile on people's faces. but will be on to something else. >> i think people are willing and want to be emotionally reached in this kind of way. >> yes. >> i think they want to be. i think they can be. this is actually like the own bp story. they kept saying in bp they were going to do it and then they didn't. and these guys, they said it was going to be christmas, and they did it two months before. everything about it was about overdelivering on promises. >> nbc's kerry sanders is back with us. he's been down there on the scene for a very long time. kerry, this is exciting for us sitting thousands of miles away. tell us what you're seeing and feeling as you watch this unfold. >> reporter: i'm driven by adrenaline. i know i'm not a family member. i'm caught up in they're motion, clearly. this is incredible. we're now eight hours 56 minutes and 40 seconds into an ongoing rescue. the capsule is getting ready to go down. the next man up will be alex vega, 31 years old. his fact earl had offered to help dig down. he wanted to be one of the rescuers, but they didn't want the family members involved because they didn't want that emotion to perhaps overcome and create a dangerous situation. alex is interesting because he has told those on the surface he has a particular problem. he doesn't like cameras. he doesn't want to be on camera. in fact, the pictures he's taken of his children in the videos, he doesn't appear in them, rarely. he's about to come up and face cameras in a way that i don't think he really can imagine because -- as far as i can see, i see cameras everywhere. there are somewhere between 1700 and 2,000 journalists here from 200 nations. from finland, from yemen, from north korea, china, russia. the whole world is watching all of this unfold. and in this 24-hour cycle, whoever is waking up in whatever part of the world they're watching a rescue take place live on television. >> kerry, we want to keep the focus on the miners obviously, but it is fascinating that camp esperanza where you've been stationed, it's a sprawling scene. tell people what it's like. we have pictures of tents set up and little villages that have sprouted up. >> we're in the middle of the atacama desert, very, very little grows out here. we're an hour from the city, an hour and 15 minutes from the city. there are only a few roads. many of them are just dirt roads. it's a place where a few flowers about the size of a nickle can grow. it's the driest place on earth. you don't see birds. you don't see animals. and here is this now city that has grown up with winnebagos, tents, families, generators and garbage collection and toilets. just a whole little city that's built here. you called it camp esperanza. that means camp hope, willie. >> kerry sanders, great reporting. we'll be checking back through out the morning. thanks for bringing us the color from down there. chris jansing, thank you. it's been a long night for you. appreciate you sticking around. >> come back for 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without incident, healthy. we're hoping for the same for the final 24 as we've been saying. coming up at a rate of about one an hour. we've still got another day ahead of us. so far, so good. we'll bring you live pictures when that tenth miner comings up within this hour at some point. here with us now, columnist for "the new york times," charles blow. good to see you this morning and from washington, nbc news capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell. >> nice to see you. >> we've been talking about a happy story, the chilean miners. let's turn to down and dirty politics beginning in california, kelly. >> i've actually loved watching this miner thing. i've been digging deep and it hasn't been for the joyful occasion we're seeing in chile. two really big debates in terms of the kind of fire and spectacle involved. one is in connecticut with the senate race. another is california, the all-important gubernatorial race there, meg whitman, jerry brown. to give the candidates their due, they talked about a lot of substance, public mentions, jobs, the budget crisis. really important things. hanging in the air was the issue of the kind of last-minute scandal that broke over jerry brown, a phone call he made, left a voice mail, didn't hang up and then a conversation he had with staffers was recorded and released. in that conversation, somebody in the room used an unpleasant slur against whitman. tom brokaw, our dear friend, was moderating this debate. he brought it up and jerry brown had his first chance to respond. >> we've heard no outrage from you about the use of that kind of language which to many women is the same as calling an african-american the n word. have you been in charge of the investigation of your campaign to find out who was responsible for using that phrase? >> i don't agree with that comparison, number one. number two, this is a five-week-old private conversation picked up on a cell phone with a garbled transmission, very hard to detect who it is. this is not -- i don't want to get into the term and how it's used. i will say the campaign apologizeded promptly and i affirm that apology tonight. >> and you probably noticed the eye rolling from meg whitman there. she didn't seem entirely pleased with his initial description of this being a garbled conversation five weeks old. then he came through with the apology. meg whitman had something to say as well. here was her reaction. >> i think every california an and especially women know exactly what's going on here, and ha is a deeply offensive term to women. >> can i interject. have you chastised your chairman, pete wilson who called the congress whores to the public sector unions. >> you know better than that, jerry. that's a completely different thing. the fact that you are defending your campaign -- the fact you're defending your campaign for a slur and a personal attack on me, i think it's not befitting of california and the office you're running for. >> you know, in all of these debates, they always caution the audience don't react. but they couldn't help themselves there. in connecticut, willie, it happened over and over again. the audience was booing and hissing and interrupting the moderator. she was a referee in the ring between linda blurichard blumenl and linda mcmahon, about her defense of wwe wrestling. she was slamming blumenthal for his trouble with credibility as she put it. they wrapped up with everybody going to the mat. in california, a huge race. of course, lots of serious stuff. we were all interested to see that issue play out. >> what a night that was in both states. tina brown, we're having a gubernatorial debate over the word whore, how to use it, when it's okay to use it. >> jerry brown emulated himself. the fact he couldn't say, i was mortified. that's all he had to say, instead of which he does this insane pausing of -- backpedalling and all this kind of semantic sort of dancing about. he emulated himself. i thought whitman handled it very well with her sly girlish rebuking look. what i do find incredible and sort of depressing about all these debates is just, on the one hand, you the -- whitman is not in this category. but on the other side, mcmahon, the unembarrassable gop candidates z, as it were, this post embarrassment age candidates like the o'donnells and the angles and so on. then you have on the other side, the public servants who at the same time are so kind of pallet and so lacking in any kind of viscera that anybody can really connect with. it's just a bad combination. i think ralph blumenthal is a ka dave rouse wean any xeerd to mcmahon. mcmahon is trying to pretend that the wrestling thing is family entertainment when it's this unbelievable brutal, safety policies, demeaning for women, but she can get away with it because blumenthal is such a weanie. >> what do you think when you see jerry brown parsing the word whore. does this hurt him in the long term or does this go away after a few days? >> i think this has been going on for about a week. he's probably taken an awful lot of damage already from it. i don't know if there's going to be anymore. he certainly contributed to it he had to no that pitch was coming. that's not a big surprise that tom brokaw is going to ask him about that. he comes off as very testy and defensive and i don't agree with that analogy. i think that didn't help him. we're showing this on tv. they might have had a great debate but everybody is going to show that moment on tv. i don't think it helps him. he's got a seven-point lead. that's a couple million votes out there in california. so i don't know if he's going to -- if it's going to cost him the election or not. i would think right now i would have to bet on jerry brown. >> and charles, in connecticut linda mcmahon has been lingering, the most recent poll we have has her down about six points. how do you handicap it at this point? >> i don't see where she has a comeback, same with whitman. even if this whore thing plays out, whatever damage is done, it's done. it peaks too soon. so you have 2 1/2 more weeks for you to make up the ground, for him to figure out how to apologize, to put this behind him, however many debates you have between them. i'm not sure if they have debates left. the peak happens too soon. unless the damage is severe and immediate and long lasting, then it doesn't work. >> we'll see. kelly o'donnell thanks so much for dragging us down into this conversation. we appreciate it. we'll talk to you soon, kelly. >> good o to see you. coming up, our friend hoda kotb will bb here to explain how she survived everything from war zones to, as she puts it, kathy lee. we're now waiting for the tenth miner to reach the surface. nine are up and out safely. we'll bring you number ten live as it happens. keep it here on "morning joe." 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to stop enforcing the don't ask don't tell law that bars openly gay men and women from serving in the armed forces. in his injunction of the 17-year-old policy, the judge said it, quote, infor instance the fundamental rights of service members and violates their rights of due process and freedom of speech. u.s. department of justice attorneys have 60 days now to repeal the ruling. the white house lifted its ban on deep water drilling for oil and gas saying it's confident new rules will prevent another disaster like the bp rig explosion. companies will have to show they're prepared for catastrophic oil spills and also have to have their rigs inspected. up next, mr. donny deutsch is in the building, and chuck todd will join us as well. don't forget to sign up for the new morning minutes news letter. >> niz tease. >> it includes a daily recap of the show -- i'm familiarizing myself with there. includes guest interviews and big stories of the day. sign up by going to joe.msnbc.com. >> let's get michelle rhee in here to teach you how to read. morning minutes and the tenth miner when "morning joe" comes back. this is just -- it's bizarre to me. why are the president and his people doing this? they think the american people are so stupid that they'll be taken in by this and we'll somehow forget the fact they got a failed stimulus, a bad health care bill, they're running up the deficit and spending like crazy. american final are focused on this. not a scintilla of evidence. >> are you telling us this will be a major part of his address? >> look, it will definitely part of his address, absolutely. there's no reason to back off asking for the disclosure. >> fact checking organizations and from newspaper editorials and a lot of people saying this is the kind of unsubstantiated tax -- >> the list of donors whose identity is being protected, if there are organizations raising tens of millions of dollars who won't tell us their donors, they guess is they're not telling us for a reason. they have something to hide. >> here with us now nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director chuck todd and the co-host of msnbc's "the daily rundown" and the chairman of deutsche, inc., mr. donny deutsch. >> i love when i come on with chuck. it elevates me. >> i was going to say the opposite, it elevates him. >> i'm honored to be around everybody. it's willie that helps us all. >> that was sincere. thanks so much. we just heard from karl rove and robert gibbs. joe is not here today, with his ailing father down in florida who we're thinking about right now. joe has been frustrated with this line of attack from the white house that foreign money is influencing the merm elections. we've seen newspapers from "the new york times" and "wall street journal." now yesterday "the washington post," i want to read you something from "the washington post" editorial board. mr. obama and administration have seized on a report on a website to argue the u.s. chachl ber of commerce is using secret foreign money to influence our elections. it goes on to say the foreign money is kept actually in segregated accounts. the chous seems willing, says "the washington post," to stoke zena phobia without any evidence for its accusations. what do you make of that? >> it seems as if the white house lost this fight on the facts but they're not dropping this. when you played the call rove expert, he's saying they're trying to change the subject a little bit. that was the implication. yes, that's what they're trying to do. they're also trying to speak to the democratic base at this point. they're not trying to persuade. there's no more persuading going with the electorate. this is now a battle on turnout. and democrats at this point, their only shot at saving their majorities is somehow ginning up the democratic base. they believe this issue helps them. if they can figure out how to put a face on this issue, the campaign finance issue, not a persuadable issue, the middle electorate. nobody likes money in politics. everybody will tell you that. that's one of the easy things for people to say. nobody likes negative adds either. that doesn't mean the electorate punishes candidates who do it. so at this point it's more of a base conversation that the white house is having, and that's what this is about. look, they've been grasping for some sort of message, an attack on republicans at work. in august it was bush. they used the bush name. well, it didn't work. in september, they tried the car analogy. the ditch, back and forth, dnr. now they're trying to do this. they're not backing off because they like that they've drawn rove and others into a rhetorical fight because they think simply having the fight with rove will fire up the democratic base. they don't fear firing up the republican base because they don't need anymore firing up. >> i actually think it's a very compelling message. i know a lot of pundits are saying no. here is why. it's a devil you know versus a devil you don't know. the supreme court vote on the first amendment, forget foreign money or any money, becausicly we're living in a man churian candidate world, that anybody can buy an election with faceless people behind it. the argument is, okay, i'm not happy with obama, this doesn't feel good. but wait a second. is there evil behind there? it's an emotional argument. i do think it is kind of something that could swing a lot in the other direction. i think it's -- i also think it's a fist message, the first time the democrats have come out punching and showing a little keith. overall, i think it ooh ace smart strategy. >> i completely disagree with that. i think if you're trying at this late stage in the game to energize the base of the democratic party you have to realize that there are two different bases. there's the 15% big city intellect liberal part and then there is the completely disconnected, mostly black hispanic, young people, jobless people who have -- who care not one eye owed that about foreign money because they don't have domestic money influencing how they pay their bills. if you're trying to get down to the base, you don't go with this message of foreign money. >> i agree with donny. i think it does haven't to be foreign money. i'm not sure why they put foreign money. that seems to me like a completely red herring. i actually have been gotten fired up recently of the constant revelations of the billionaires who are fueling and fueling. >> the scariest thing in our lifetime. >> on "the daily beast" we have a great gallery called rove's gallery which is trying to name and give faces to each one of these republican billionaire guys who are funding -- >> where is the biggest enthusiasm gap? it's not among people like us. it is with young voters. it is with hispanic voters who are basically going to stay home. it's with african-american voters? is this going to touch that base? these are the people they'll have to get to the polls. >> i think young people it touches. >> speaking of young people, pat, the dnc ad they put up says foreign money is, quote, stealing democracy right now in these republican campaigns. is the bogeyman approach a good one? >> if it were true, it certainly would be. i don't think they've got any substance to it. it's against the law, foreign money and presidential elections are in congressional elections. you go to jail for that t. reason the white house is pushing that i don't think is to stir off the folks on the left. it's to demoralize populist conservatives who would be outraged if you got foreign money coming into campaigns when their great concern is outsourcing of american jobs abroad by american -- so-called american companies to china and asia. and this is why the white house is pushing this button. it's a very hot button. but it doesn't look to me right now as though they got substance behind it. but they keep pushing it for a reason. it's working. >> chuck, let me ask you all this discussion here in the past couple minutes about foreign money, fund-raising, billionaires, secret money. does the white house actually think, in order to fire up their base as you put it, that this is a more important issue than dealing with people -- i don't care what congressional district you're talking about. pennsylvania, indiana, ohio, massachusetts, the most important issue when you talk to these people, they would look at the president, look at this administration and say tell me what you're going to do about the fact that i lost half the value of my 401(k) in the past two years, my brother-in-law lost his job. he's living in the basement with us. what are you going to do about that stuff, much more so than dealing with foreign money. >> look, mike, that's part of the reason why i think cynically they're looking for another issue to talk about, to have another to have another conversation. that conversation has already been had. frankly when you look at with what's going on with enthusiasm, with some of the polls, it's clear they have lost that argument for now. you know, even robert gibbs yesterday in the briefing one of the questions i asked him, there were five different senate debates on monday night and what was interesting about them was the ease which republicans were health care needs to be repealed, the stimulus was a failure. and the democrats were defend, health care was a good compromise, the stimulus wasn't designed to create permanent jobs is what russ feingold said. i said hey, boy, are you disappointed in your fellow democrats? i said this to gibbs. he said, look, we're being judged on a political timeline. so it was almost his defense was, well we've lost this argument on the calendar for now, they are hoping to win it down the road, so at this point because of election day being three weeks away, now 20 days away, they have no choice but to figure out something to talk about that's relevant inside the timeline and this is all they got. >> agreed. i want to say it again. there's no difference to a david putting 3 million behind the tea party and nobody knows it. this is the biggest threat to democracy. >> monday night you had five debates. >> you watched five debates? >> just so you know, i did watch the ninth inning of the baseball game. every time i checked in on the football games there was some sort of lightning delay. when did football players become so meek that they can't play in rain any more. when did we start having rain delays in football? this is a new phenomenon. i'm sick about it. football was meant to be played in bad weather. let them play in bad weather. let's stop protecting these guys. >> chuck todd had one minute. chuck, we'll see you at 9:00 this morning. >> rain or shine, my friends. >> absolutely. boy is he tough. tina brown, thank you so much. coming up next, our good friend, hoda kotb, shameless promotion of her own book. of course we'll continue to monitor the breaking news out of chile, the rescue of those miners. we're looking at a live picture right now the 10th miner emerging. 7:52 here. 8:52 at the site of the mine. 10th miner, 10 of 33 reaching the surface after 70 days underground. we want to stay with this for just a moment. over the course of our show we've watched three come up. one every 45 minutes or so. and, again, you have to tip your cap to the operation here, another seemingly completely flawless rescue by the teamworking down there. >> the skill level and courage employed by people working on both sides of the mine shaft. the people who went down to help rescue the miner, the miners themselves, and the world watching this. i would submit we need to watch this because of the absolutely infuriating depressing news clip we see during the day because of the debates in california. >> think about in the last 50 years this is one of the images we see with man on the moon, the veterans coming off the plane, being greeted. this is one of the half a dozen images of half a century period. this is the kind of thing that shows -- once again i put this with those type of things, the celebration of humanity at its best. this is one of the top 10 images of the last 50 years. >> we've seen so many disgusting things happening in the last week, it's incredible. also just kind of -- it's one of the few things, charles, that we will witness and read about and hear about that is not injected at some level with cynicism. this is a good story. >> these guys figure out what to do. >> an american company. >> different companies cooperate. fantastic story. >> how this president, pinero, seized this moment and went to the extreme. people said it couldn't be done. and he spent a lot of time, president obama clearly missed the tone button on bp. but this president -- it was tremendous outcome. >> we'll go live to the scene. kerry sanders has been taking us through this. the 10th miner now has reached the surface. 10 for 10, 23 still to go. and hoda kotb when 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for an agent or quote. we're at the top of the hour. 8:00 in the morning here in new york city. 9:00, the sun fully up down at the san jose mine. the capsule has been sent back down going for the 11th miner. number 10 just came up to the surface. here's video of what happened a couple of minutes ago. this operation started, the first miner came out about nine hours ago. and this has been going at about a rate of one every hour, fair to say. and really without incident to this point. they have this down pretty well it seems. the thing that strikes me, donny just joining us, the spirit of these guys not only -- they look great. >> without any kind of glibness, it's fascinating there's got to be some type of medical study. the way these guys are being fed and, you know, nourished and there's obviously something in there. it's a twisted under belly to this story that the nutrition these guys got probably was healthier than nobody else wants to go through. to see this man, it kind of washes everything else away. humanity at its best. which is why hoda is here. >> you know what i love about that story, watching all the women who spent all day yesterday getting their nails done, their hair blown. have you seen the women. they look gorgeous like they think this is their party and watching their husbands or boyfriends come out. one woman who proposed to her boyfriend, she dropped a piece of paper down and he said yes. >> which was a nice feminist touch. >> of course you do. >> we'll talk about your book. we'll talk about that in just a minute. we have charles blow at the table. we want to go down to chile. pat buchanan is down in d.c. but we want to go down to chile where kerry sanders is standing by. kerry, ten for ten now? >> ten for ten, on their way soon for number 11. that's jorge galleguellos orellana. he celebrated his birthday last month. he has hypertension and the doctors have been monitoring him rather continuously down there. he's been a miner his whole life. they are slightly concerned about how that hiyper tension might affect him. all these men has had some weight lost. he lost on average about 20 pounds here. so, the situation for him is up next to come on up to the surface. i think it's incredible to think how things have been working flawlessly here. they said they were going to execute this in a slower fashion but it seems to be working so well that the tempo is working where it is a little bit more than an hour to get the capsule checked out, sent down and then bring up one of the, one of the miners. about a 15 to 17 minute ride to the surface. the community out here in camp yes, s hope, only three members could be there. other family members who couldn't be there, down here celebrating and i think most interesting is family members here who have already seen their loved ones come up are still here cheering other ones come up. as men exit, greet their loved ones, they make their way to a triage area. and one thing they are enjoying is a hot shower. do the math. the first man who came up here was just certainly after midnight local time, they have been underground 70 days. >> wow. >> reporter: 70 days. >> we've seen ten remarkable moments as these men come to the surface greeting their families. one that jumps out is one we got up now, number two. the guy they are calling super mario. describe that scene for us. >> reporter: electric. look at him. he was bursting with excitement. and then he surprised everybody because he reaches down into a bag and he brings out some of the rocks that were pushed through in the process of creating that shaft to get down there. he hands the rock to the minister of mines here, and then he takes a rock and gives to it the president of chile, president pinero. those rocks have flecks of fools' gold in there. they are all excited. then he runs over -- he just leaves the crowd of somewhat the officials and goes over to the guys who were doing some of the work, the guys who were more behind-the-scenes and hugging them and thanking them and his burst of energy. you know, they always said he was the ham because when they sent the cameras down there he was the one playing the reporter and giving narrations. you can see where his personality just burst through. i think it captured in many ways the feelings that everybody had of the success. >> you know, kerry is down there on the scene and he's smiling as he tells us this story because it's a story that brings smiles to people's faces all around the world. we're here in the epicenter of a culture surrounded by fake characters, ridiculous people, phoney reality shows, disgusting commercials. this is the kind of story wing ought to dmor. not that it should happen more often. but these are real people in a real situation, not an ounce of cynicism and it's good for all of us to pay attention this reality show. >> reporter: can i underscore when we talk about the news media that's here of about 1700 journalists from more than 200 nations, one of the teams here reporting back live is reporting back live to north korea. i think that underscores what you're saying right there as people are looking for good news in every country in the world. >> the unfortunate thing as somebody who has studied human behavior throughout my career, the unfortunate thing to mike's point, we know what sells, 99% of people on this planet are decent and wonderful and good and we just don't get to see them on a daily basis. this is obviously something very epic and extreme. on a daily basis in this globe there are these acts and i don't know how that gets injected. i don't know how we mandate that. >> pat buchanan? >> let me take mike's phrase there. real people. that's exactly what you see down here. authentic, real human beings. you know, in that community down there of miners, they are a breed apart and they are a band of brothers and, you know, mike, i bet you find people almost identical to them and you can find them in america, same area, southwestern fence, west virginia, eastern kentucky, those mining communities, every time there's a disaster where something like that happens you can see them all out there maintaining the vigil and everything. this one, thank lord ended happily and a lot of those others have not. but that's really what comes through to me is realness, authenicity. >> you don't have to go to mining communities. you can go to factory jobs in the midwest where jobs were lost. there was a cohesion of spirit in those towns. there was a core unit of discipline among people that held them together for years through the world war ii, '50s and '60s. we've lapsed into a feel sorry for me culture and the stories of real people and their lives we neglect them too often. >> even more than that you're talking about reality tv. we talk about this all the time. bad behavior is rewarded. you do something terrible you gate show, your get a book, not your book or not my book. so i think it's one of those things that finally we're seeing great behavior being celebrated and it's beautiful. >> it's hope in the face of poor odds and an awful situation and because we're experiencing an awful situation in this country and losing sight of all sense of hope and descending into a nasty kind of cesspool of sentiment. it's amazing, the whole journey not just this last one. >> kerry, go ahead. >> reporter: can i jump in here. you're talking about the way these guys have supported each other and if we're looking for an analogy, from my own personal experience having been embedded with the military, i was with the marines, these guys rely on each other in life and death situations every day, much the way marines and soldiers do, and it's impressive to see that and, you know, by and large miners -- they go unknown, unheralded. we don't know much about what they do. i joined a family here who was waiting for their loved one to come up, who was number one, who came up. and while in the weeks leading up we went to a nearby mine and we walked down into that mine, and, you know, when we turned the lights out and we were about a little less than a kilometer in, and somewhat deep, it was a real sense to me of how the guy to your left and right may be the guys that save your life if something goes wrong. so, i'm just -- i think it is important for us to stop and recognize that these people do, do live a life and here searching for gold and copper in the atacama desert, they are a brotherhood. >> you know, kerry, you mentioned the corps, the marine corps and there's a core discipline that people in this country and elsewhere, obviously, in chile have. and it's something that has to be summoned and you would hope people in power in washington watch these pictures and are capable of getting their message through the many filters that are out there to the american people. look, these are tough times. unemployment is high. we've had a rocky economic history over the past couple of years. we can do this. we can get through this. we have done it before. your grandparents came through the depression. fought a world war on two fronts, came home, but homes, highways. we can do this. >> what your campaigning for. >> the emotion. >> here's where it is -- just we're going and we're going get there. that flip side when you talk about the great american. he talk is what people need to get to the other side. >> that kindred spirit was here alive with some americans because the guys who were drilling the hole, they were in afghanistan, helman province area drilling holes for water for u.s. soldiers who are there. when they heard about the trapped miners here they came here and it was their can do spirit where they said we think our equipment can do this, we're going make this happen. in the final three days, jeff hart who was at the controls, he took a two hour sleep every day. had six hour sleep. he stayed at the controls pushing down because he said we can do it. then, of course, they got through. that was on saturday setting the stage for what we are seeing happening right now as miners are making their way to the surface here. >> kerry sanders, thanks so much. we'll be checking back in with you throughout the morning. great reporting. looking forward to number 11 coming to the surface within the hour. thanks. hoda, not to be too cynical, this will go away in a couple of days. captain sully made us feel good for a week or two. then we just go back to business -- >> i think we are who we are. what's sad we are exactly who we are. you see a moment like this and you want to change. it's how you feel after a parent die. you say i'm not going waste one more minute, i'll do all these things. then you go back to being just who you are. there are some major moments that do change us. i don't know, but watching this, i'm so emotional and watching kerry and watching his excitement just jump through the screen to me. you hope these things translate beyond today. i mean, i think you're optimistic, if you're not, you're not. >> it's the reality of what draws people in. there's a strange psychological thing why people watch train wreck television, same reason for soap operas. as bad as my life is i'm not that much of and i die oat. this operates the other way. people go i don't know if i can handle that. it's a weird flip side -- >> don't know if i could. >> wow. look what i've been capable of it where it's the exact opposite psychology of why we watch the idiotic reality show. >> sometimes things do change you. if you go through something d traumatic, you get a forward takeaway. >> your book, you are a breast cancer survivor how is that a switch for you. >> the four words are, you can't scare me. i think those words are permanent. once you see something horrible, after that asking your boss for a raise seems so stupid. >> when you heard the word cancer, it's in your book, when you heard the word, hoda, you have cancer, what went through your system? >> i was in my office at work and i had just been tested and i was sure i didn't have it because i just -- it wasn't me. when the phone rang the guy said not good news for you. that's what he said. then he said cancer. i hung up and i didn't hear anything after that word. i thought i needed to sprint to the doctor and have my surgery the next day or else i would be dead. you know how you become irrational. cancer takes forever to grow. i was in a panic sprint through it. and i was afraid to process it because you can go down a scary place. but, you know, i had a lot of friends and family and stuff but even hearing the word. especially you're 43, are you kidding me? >> back to the miners as an example of when you are confronted with a tremendous scare or tragedy, so how, obviously these guys have lived through something, their lives will be different. how is this a benefit to you? nobody wants to go through cancer. you lived through it. >> i did, okay. >> now what's the upside. >> i was doing "dateline" at the time and i wanted to be noticed. i didn't wave my hands to my bosses. i thought if you worked real hard, hey you're doing a great job. you think people notice you. what you realize is people don't notice and you have to speak up. i remember going to see my bosses after that diagnosis, and how i was so calm because i was asking about this new hour, "the today show" and i remember what it felt like asking for it. i wasn't scared. my heart didn't skip beat. i thought this is so nothing. this is so nothing. i was so worried about it. it's so nothing. i ended up at the end of the day with the help of a lot of people getting this job. had i not gotten sick i probably wouldn't be sitting next to kathy lee doing that hour. or him. that happens. >> that did happen. >> that's happened quite a bit. >> i have to say because hoda won't say it, she's become one of the faces of fighting breast cancer. i can't tell you how many events i've been to where hoda is the guest of honor and she puts herself out there. you've done a great job. >> it's weird too because i think breast cancer, it shaped me but it's not me. it's part of me but not all of me. it's a strange thing to juggle. >> how do you come with grips that you identified with something that went wrong with you. it's very odd -- >> i hope when someone talks to you they think about four or five other things. i remember when jeff zucker was diagnosed here, i don't think of jeff zucker and the word of cancer together. i think of him as a bunch of other things. i was hoping -- although i want to fight for this and i want women to be empowered, your don't want to be all of you. you know? i think there's a lot of women who do that. >> we're watching the capsule now, loaded with the 11th miner. be about ten minutes before he gets up starting his journey up. kathy lee is in the title. speak of trau marks what's it like to work with kathy lee over the last couple of years? >> everybody at this table swallow the truth pill. there's something -- you guys do do that. there's something very refreshing to talk to somebody who just says it the. and she's got a heart of gold but you know exactly what she's telling you is what she's believes. it's not a phoney baloney, it's the real deal. >> having hosted the show with hoda it's chardonnay. >> hoda will stick with us. >> isn't there a tie in? >> let me bring them both together. here's the tie in. >> here's the ad guy tie in. okay. "beauty and the beast." it's a twofer. >> i can't argue. it's the truth. stay with us for continuing coverage of the rescue of the mine in chile. we're waiting for the 11th man to come up to the surface. he's in the capsule. and next the sunday "new york times" gives us a behind-the-scenes look at the first two years of the obama administration. "politico" gives us the juicy details. first bill karins here's a quick check on forecast. >> let's chat about the storm. hurricane paula. still a category 2 storm by cancun. this storm is a miniature. little baby storm. really tiny. only about ten miles wide. that's smaller than most hurricane eyes are. that's why we're not too concerned opinion it should weaken pretty quickly before it affects cuba or florida. airports we're doing really well. crisp beautiful fall day. new england most of the mid-atlantic. the problem areas are going to be tomorrow. the storm system will move our way. today is gorgeous. look at thursday's forecast. rain. little bit of wind. maybe some thunderstorms from d.c. up to new york late in the day. middle of the country today you're just fine, all the way from minneapolis to san antonio. check out san francisco. record highs yesterday and today, low to mid-90s. you're watching "morning joe", brewed by starbuck welcome back to "morning joe." it's 8:24 here in the morning in new york. 9:24 down in the mine in chile. we're waiting the rescue of the 11th miner due up any moment. we had 10 successful missions back up to the surface. 23 to go. we'll bring you those pictures live as they happen. with us now, "politico" patrick gavin with the morning playbook. we got a big cover story coming out in sunday "new york times" magazine, pert baker interviewed the president and nearly two dozen white house officials. give us a little bit of the back story on what the piece is and then some of your exclusive details. >> reporter: the piece is called education of a president. what peter baker had done not only talked to obama but a lot of white house officials on two things. one is the two years leading up to this point. how they succeed and how they failed and looking at the next two terms and if he gets a second term what's on their agenda. >> so some of the nuggets you got here, president says he'll be able to work with republicans after the election. president also reflecting on his tactical misaccuse. >> he thinks he can work with republicans. if republicans win his argument is now they have to prove that they can legislate and govern. they have to work with me. if they don't do as well as perhaps they think they will, obama thinks the reality is they just can't be the party of no because the electorate will have rejected that. he thinks either way the situation after mid-terms might be more promising in terms of bipartisanship. for his misaccuse he said the administration lost sight of the fact you can't neglect pr and marketing and they ignored that a bit. number two, he thinks that reality is that perhaps they were foolish to sort of have this paranoia of things and proud about fact that they focused on policies but did that at the expense of paying attention to public opinion. that's the more political and be tactical things he criticized. >> also in the piece, some other obama insiders quoted as saying we're a lot more cynical now, arrogance isn't the right word but we were overconfident that coming from white house insiders. what do you think the president, pat buchanan and the white house have learned over the first two years? >> well, you know, that's their statement. i don't know what they've learned. i don't think the problem is one of marketing. country knows what they've done and there's an argument out there, they had the bully pulpit of the white house and they failed to persuade the country. they are running on this nonsense we've been hearing about. one question, maybe mike, it seems to me that for obama we have an intelligent president who is witty, nice guy, personally popular but he hasn't engaged the heart of a country. he hasn't engaged it the way a bobby kennedy did or a ronald reagan did or other candidates have done where people were really would walk over hot coals for their guy. and that seems to me to be the missing element. one yoen you have no energy or fire on the democratic side. >> a couple of things. one the pictures we've been watching from chile, the emotion in that story is so overwhelming that you don't have to add a single adjective or verb to the story itself. the other aspect of your question has to do with obama's performance, i would think in the spring and fall of 2008 when his campaign was fueled with substance but emotion was a huge, huge element of his campaign. and now it's jarring to see the presidency go on day after day after day when the president and he is very smart and he's very likeable and people do like him, i think, seemingly unable to connect emotionally with large elements of the country, who as donny pointed out grabbed by the lapels and say we can do this. >> every president we've truly loved, going back to jfk and even w when he was popular had that real blood emotionality to them. the same reason people were begging obama to pound his fist on bp. it was a reason that bush sr. was never popular. he didn't have it. >> this idea that he has somehow missed the mid. america. his approval ratings are about even, has been that same way important the last four months. this idea that you're missing vast swaths of middle america. they are saying he's somehow unable to communicate anything. >> as an obama backer. i voted for him. i liked him as a leader. i've met ceos from all over the world. the great ones have a quality in their eyes. i said for a period of time he understood. i'm not talking about the come period is in the of the presidency, i'm talking about leadership qualities in a man. half of the job is making people feel a certain way. that goes with the job. >> let's not talk about bush. why do people not just republicans but people on the left like donny who supported him. they are frustrated. where is that coming from? >> i'm not saying there isn't a certain amount of frustration. they addressed that head on. they said they focused more on policy than they did on the pr element. but this idea that there's such a gap, that he cannot do anything to communicate to people that he has done some things that are positive, it's just a misreading and part of the narrative that makes such a great story that he won't let that go and there comes a point where how far to say that is just us. >> and, pat, to charles' point if you look at the approval rating, his personality, 60%, policy approval 42. his numbers are higher than those of reagan or clinton at this point to presidency. >> i find myself in uncommon agreement with donny deutsch. he's exactly right about bush i. bush i was an enormously intelligent man, worked with ronald reagan but never quite engaged the heart whereas after 9/11, standing up on that pile of rocks, inarticulate as he was, bush did, bush ii did for a time have the heart of the country behind him. that and he was good guy and he represented us. now obama, i'm sure in terms of i.q. tests and scores in schools is brighter and more articulate, but honestly when he gets out and starts speaking angrily i sense the white house heads said let's go out and be angry and it doesn't come from somewhere within the gut. and that's what's missing to me in barack obama. >> it's not his personality to beat on the podium. so to try to get him to be that is disingenuous. >> go back to the job spec of the president. at the end of the day the president is ceo of the largest corporation of the world. >> we're looking at the 11th miner now out safely. you see him standing there. now we got 11 up. here he comes. excuse me. he's still in the capsule. here he comes. 10 up without incident. we now have 11 of the 33. >> i ask the question that no one wants to ask, the drama that will play out. >> about that time? >> i'm going to bring it back to mike. obviously there's a lot of interest. it's interesteding you think 33 human beings and you have interesting stories and very well publicized the guy that has the mistress and wife and i wonder if the media will cover that. >> it would be appropriate. >> pat buchanan thanks so much. erin burnett next. sure i'd like to diversify my workforce, i just wish that all of the important information was gathered together in one place. 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[ male announcer ] see how the hartford helps businesses at achievewhatsahead.com. moments ago, the 11th miner reaching the surface. long awaited hugs. been down there for 70 days. that mine caved in on august 5th. nobody new whether they were alive or dead for 17 days until they established communication. 22 to go. let's get a check on business before the bell. >> erin has been trapped with mark now for what, three, four years? >> anybody see the program yesterday? >> we don't need to get into it. >> we all fall at times. it happens. >> she was seeing green monkeys in the camera. i don't know what she was eating before the show. >> things looked strange. i feel better. i'm in recovery. >> we had a big rally. part of it is the miners story. there's an enthusiasm about it. people are watching it. it puts people in a good mood. i have five reasons for the rally. that's number one. the other it started mid-day when feds said full steam ahead on tezing pumping trillions of dollars into the economy. that's not necessarily a good thing but right now for the market it is. the feds are there to support them. third reason intel biggest chip maker in the world, can't buy anything without intel involved and they came out with better than expected earnings. one of the biggest hedge fund managers think tech stocks have been the cheapest in 20 years. my fourth reason jpmorgan first bank report earnings out this morning better than expected, bad loans were down but, guys there was one negative and that was loans were also down 17%. so that's something to be concerned about. my fifth reason is an important one. can we have donny on camera? >> always. >> i'm here, baby. >> donny, i got a question. why are you wearing a suit? >> i'm wearing a suit because i need to be taken seriously. it's that simple. >> you think a suit will do it? >> it's a step. that's number one. but i have a question about -- i finally found something -- might beat donald trump. >> see this person. donny deutsch, $30 million deal is the number one reason for the optimism on wall street. i don't know many people that can buy a house and sell it. donny you're a sign. >> it was a profit if you need to know the truth. >> i thought you used some of the money for the new suit. >> each time we're on can i top it donald trump or who would you go out on a date on. donald trump or a-rod? >> definitely donald trump. >> why? >> because a-rod is a little bit of a -- a-rod dates around a little bit. >> here's a hypothetical. donald trump or adlai stevenson in his prime? i'm seeing you're more the intellectual type. >> how did we get here? >> i don't know. this is when you come in and save me. >> erin, one other thing. they are telling me that yesterday's release of hoda's book, hoda really moved the markets and another reason for optimism and just a little punch behind it. but it was mainly hoda's book. >> that would be reason number six and that's the ultimate reason. that tops donny, i think it's fair to say, hoda. >> thank you. >> isn't there another book on the best seller list? >> i hadn't noticed. >> always, baby. >> always be selling. >> erin, thanks so much. i'm so glad we talked about adlai stevenson. quote, a stunning disappointment. that's what the democratic governor of tennessee is calling president obama's health care legislation. we'll explain when he joins us next. plus another update on the rescue of those miners in chile. we'll be right back. wall street is getting back on its feet. but the financial landscape is still full of uncertainty. in times like these, you need an experienced partner to look out for you. heads up! and after 300 years we have gotten pretty good at that. but now i see the splash., ♪ i wanted love, i needed love ♪ ♪ most of all, most of all... ♪ the president's plan, obamacare is far too reaching. overreaching. it needs have a lot of it repealed. but can you fix that. if you can fix it. repeal the whole thing. >> that was west virginia democratic governor speak out against the president's health care reform. here's the governor of tennessee, governor phil bredesen. he's the author of "fresh medicine." governor, good to see you this morning. tell us why you believe president obama's health care reform bill is a stunning disappointment? >> you know, i had such hopes when he was sworn in that we would really start fixing some of these underlining problems and adding more people to the roles, gives them insurance i'm all for that. this was the time to fix some other things. we've evolved this system of various kind of programs and i hope that he would take advantage to clean this stuff up, to get some of these things -- everybody knows they have to be fixed. >> what are the one or two things that you would have liked to have seen that were not in the bill? >> first, you have to address the costs of health care. medicare has a $37 trillion unfund liability, six times of the gdp of the united states. this stuff that was in there was all -- just futuristic stuff, things that could cut stuff now weren't touched. something as simple as negotiating for drugs which they are legally prohibiting from doing. the reason why drugs in canada are cheaper because people negotiate. i think it just became one of those things where everyone wanted to be have positives, let's put more people on the roles and vote for us and didn't bother to tackle any difficult things. the conditions were ripe. the planets were lined up. you had a new president. everyone wanted work on health care. they shoved it aside from doing the tough difficult things that some president will have to do. >> you have a unique perspective as a politician and you built a health care company. as somebody who is inside what needs to change within the health care companies. >> first of all, i really think in this country we need to move away from this employer based for insurance opinion i think social security which is a popular program, no one is arguing we ought to cut social security or the taxes or anything like that. i think that provides a model. there's a basic level of health care in this country that we treat as a, you know, as a right of people. we don't let people die in the street when they have appendicitis. we taught put together a simple system. give people the the right buy insurance where they want as opposed through their employer or going down the welfare office for some government program. it would treat people in this country much more respectfully, be simpler. >> how do you do health care state by state? state by state, when the cost of health care are such that they continue to rise and you're also saddled with state pension costs. state after state. how do you do this? >> first of all, i don't think health reform can take place solely on a seat level. just too many thing where you need the power of the federal government to cut through some things. there are issues. states are in different positions. we don't have any significant pension liabilities, health or otherwise in tennessee. we've been conservative about funding things as we go. so there's not an issue there for us. but, there are for a number of states and there's a lot of people that need some help in this. we have a system, it started in the '30s. built around this notion of insurance which it isn't any more. and we just need, you know, half a century later here say look, it made a lot of sense in the '30s and '40s. doesn't make sense any more. we have to cut through this stuff. >> you feel very free to speak. you're wrapping up your term as governor. is this helping you leapt it all out? >> no. i took part through the national governor's association, on a committee they put together to work with the congress on health reform. two democrats and two republicans. and the thing that was interest weg thoug interesting, we thought we had to offer. to say congress wasn't interested is to say was an understatement. i think it's so complicated that you need some other voice in this. it's not just something that can be designed by, you know, staffers in the congress and advocacy groups in washington. they have a point of view, it's a valuable point of view but there's lots of other people in this country that could have contributed to this process. what i tried to do is say look, you know, let me just try to do the work to set some ideas down on a piece of paper and publish the book and hopefully start a discussion. this isn't over. there will be further stuff that happens. >> so incredibly complicated. the book "fresh medicine." governor phil bredesen, thanks for being here. when we come back more with hoda, donny and he'll continue to monitor the rescue of the miners in chile. this is live pictures from the hospitals where some of the earliest miners were brought out receiving medical care. we're waiting for the 12th man to come up to the surface. we'll be right back. 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