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i need an ambulance immediately. i have someone down in front of my house. they hit a pole. >> is it a car accident, sir? >> it's a car accident, yes. i need you, yes. >> now, are they trapped inside of the vehicle? >> no, they're laying on the ground now. >> what happened? what's wrong? >> i have a neighbor. he hit the tree, and we came out here just to see what was going on. i see him, and he's laying down. >> you mean there was an auto accident? >> there was an auto accident, yes. >> is he unconscious? >> yes. >> are you able to tell if he's breathing? >> no, i can't tell right now. >> leave him alone. >> the 911 tapes now of tiger's, quote, accident. >> leave him alone. >> you don't like this story mp >> no, i hate this story. >> good morning, everybody. somebody woke up on the wrong side of the fence. >> i had a wonderful thanksgiving. >> good. that's excellent. >> how was yours? >> good. i went to lancaster county, pennsylvania, and it was gorgeous. good morning, willie. >> good morning. >> did you miss mommy? >> i did miss you? it was a long weekend without you. >> so you got out. >> i did. i went running in the corn fields. it was me and the horse and buggies early in the morning. >> i got out and saw america too. >> what did you see? >> i walked from the upper west side to the upper east side. kind of crazy over there. >> did you? i didn't even get that far. >> took kate ice skating. it was a lot of fun. i saw all sides of america. >> i'm sure you did. it is good to be back. >> have you ever been over to the east side? >> no. what's it like? >> it's a strange land. >> it is. >> it's a strange, strange land. >> we have an interesting panel this morning. willie is here. chrystia is back there pimping. >> and also stephen a. smith in philadelphia is with us. we're going to be talking about this tiger story. i have to say, willie, leave him alone. he has all these endorsements. it's important. there's nothing on the sleeve of golf balls that says, if you buy these golf balls, you get to figure out what's going on with tiger's life. >> the story is a bit suspicious. he's the most marketable athlete in the world. what does that mean for him? think about kobe bryant. he allegedly did something worse than this. >> he was framed. >> and look at kobe. he's still one of the most celebrated athletes in the world. >> we have a lot of other things going on. it's a celebrated week for president obama. a lot of newspapers looking at it that way, including "the wall street journal" and politico. he lays out his afghan strategy tomorrow night from west point. he's still pushing through health care reform. and this week we're having this jobs summit, which i'm so intent on hearing more about. lots of financial initiatives that people are asking questions about. today the fed tries to shame mortgage institutions into lowering payments for homeowners. they have a lot going on. >> they do have a lot going on. it's going to be a historic week. the jobs summit, i'm not so sure. i may be with paul krugman on this one. >> we have a lot of interesting must reads coming up. i'm not sure i have the guts to read one. >> i'll read it for you. >> not sure if you want to. >> why don't we start with news. >> coming up at 7:00, jim cramer will be here, and he'll look at the headlines out of the white house from his perspective along with chuck todd. for the first time in his career, golfer tiger woods facing scrutiny for his actions off the course that follows an early morning crash on friday when woods' suv struck a fire hydrant and a tree sending him to the hospital with cuts and bruises. over the weekend, he refused to meet with police for a third time. speculation is growing that the accident may have been the result of an argument between woods and his wife over published reports that he was having an affair. woods issued a statement taking responsibility for the crash, saying his wife acted courageously to help him. he said, quote, any other assertion is absolutely false. >> stephen, what's your take on this story? >> i think a lot of it is on tiger woods. i agree with you, joe, from the standpoint of it's really anybody's business. but the problem is he didn't come out immediately and say just that. the fact is they threw out a story that had a whole bunch of holes in it. you've got both of the black windows of a cadillac escalade knocked in or crashed by a golf club by his wife who supposedly and reportedly dragged him out. i have an escalade. you knock out the back window. tiger woods is a big boy. you try to get him out of the escalade, you're not going to do so by crashing out the back window and your wife crawling in to get you. secondly, you leave your house. you're coming out of the parking lot. it's not like he was speeding 40 or 50 miles an hour. why are you on the ground unconscious? what kind of crash is that? didn't even allow the air bags to deploy. there's a whole bunch of holes in this story, and they're holes that were put there because of how tiger woods and his family elected to react to this situation as opposed to him coming out saying, listen, i had a personal issue with my family. it's none of your business. mind your business and move on. >> i think, to an extent, joe, he has said that in the statement he released. >> three days later. >> but to your point, joe, he is a public figure. don't you agree these questions here are not only interesting but they may have implications. >> again, implications for what? like i said, tiger woods -- >> for the marketing of tiger woods. >> he markets, but guess what? >> for the rules of -- >> let me just say, if you at home in america are so offended by tiger -- if you think by buying a sleeve of golf balls that tiger endorses allows you to pry into his personal life, don't buy the golf balls. it's nobody's business. >> it's maybe the business of the advertisers who pay tiger woods a lot of money because he has prior to this moment been the perfect guy, right? >> he's big business, isn't he? >> one who is the perfect player but also the perfect human being. >> maybe there's a story here. >> maybe tarnished he's not as appealing. >> stephen, not the perfect human being, right? >> no, none of them are. in my years of covering athletes, i don't find any of them to be perfect. i'm certainly not perfect. the reality is the man is worth more than $1 billion according to forbes, after winning the fedex cup and getting his $10 million bonus and the retirement package and all that stuff. if he's earning $1 billion, think of all that money he's making from the endorsement companies. that's what it comes down to. it's an image they have been selling. he's insulated to a large degree, and they're protecting him. you've got his agent literally calling into the state trooper while they're en route to his house to tell them he's not going to be available. he did this to himself and so did his agent because of the way they all elected to handle this. >> stephen knows this. i worked in sports for a long time. tiger woods doesn't answer questions. he's never had to in his career. you go to the masters and wait for the tree at the 18th green. tiger doesn't go to the tree. he has his own set of rules. he doesn't unt have to answer for anything. he doesn't talk to the press unless it's under his terms. he probably thought this was going to be a little different. not to belabor the kobe point, but kobe allegedly did something much worse than this. what did he lose? he lost nutella, the spreadable chocolate stuff, and that's it. >> i love nutella. >> that's it'. he lost his nutella. >> in the situation with kobe, he was dealing with allegations, only allegations from another woman. here we're dealing with his own wife, his own family. don't you think americans and even advertisers are going to be a bit more forgiving and say, hey, let's put a zone of privacy around tiger and his family and let hem sort this out. >> that's the whole thing. that's what makes this more egregious on the part of a tiger woods because, unlike kobe, where that was a legal issue. you're talking about sexual assault charges where potential jail time was staring him in the face. in the face of tiger woods, worst case scenario, y'all -- and i mean we have no evidence of this whatsoever, but it has been reported. worst case scenario is that the man was having an affair. the wife reacted, and supposedly got into an argument or a spat, and he tried to leave. now, i didn't report that. i have no knowledge of that whatsoever, and tiger's right to get on anybody that tried to bring it out. >> by the way, stephen -- >> the reality is that's all there is. >> the new york post has reported everything connecting the dots. it's the speculation of all this that bothers me. >> but is he above questions? >> by whom? by the police? sure, everybody's going, oh, he didn't -- chrystia, he didn't answer questions of the cops. they know where he is. he's got the biggest mansion in central florida. it's a gated community. he ain't flying off to switzerland to escape. i mean, he's not going to be hanging out with polanski with that swiss chalet. >> what's the potential police issue? what's the potential crime he may have committed? why do the cops have to ask him questions? abuse of a fire hydrant? >> supposedly he was on -- i think he reports or that he was taking pain medication. >> oh, well. >> and so he was behind the wheel. but mika does that every day whenever she drives. >> seriously, that's why i don't drive anymore. >> can i say something? >> yes. >> let me be very, very clear about this. i don't believe that whatever happened in his house with his wife is anybody's business. i want to stand by that. however, i do want to also acknowledge that i don't believe a lot of the stuff that i've been hearing coming from the tiger woods camp. there's a whole bunch of holes in their story. they've elevated this stuff to astronomical proportions because of the way that they handled it. that's why, to some degree, they're getting what they deserve at this moment in time because this could have been handled a lot more differently. >> you know, sometimes they try to be -- as stephen said, his agent's calling the highway patrol and everybody else. you know, a one line statement, it's none of your damn business. >> that's all. >> actually, two sentences. it's none of your damn business. we'll talk to law authorities and nobody else. have a happy thanksgiving. >> xwexactly. >> see, stephen and i agree. people like willie geist who wants to peer through the windows at other people's dirty laundry. >> i need to release a blanket statement to cover my entire life. it's none of your business. that's it. >> in the interest of full disclosure, i'm the same guy who believed that's what bill clinton should have told everybody when they asked about monica lewinsky, just to throw it out there. >> throw it out there, right. we're going to move on from that. >> if he did that, he wouldn't have perjured himself. >> all right. this i think we can agree on. at least two senators are calling for criminal charges against a virginia couple who crashed the white house state dinner last week. the secret service is investigating how michaele and tareq salahi attended the event without an invite. federal agents interviewed the couple over the week en. the secret service is looking into its own actions and speaking with the white house social office in charge of the guest list. we're going to talk to "the washington post's" amy artzinger, who first broke the story, coming up. my god, i don't know how that happened. >> you look at a white house that is facing more threats to the president's life than any white house before. >> exactly. >> and i remember when i'd go into the white house as a sitting member of congress, how difficult it was to get past all the layers of security. and you sit here, and you wonder, how did this happen? >> it's stunning. what was this camera crew? >> yeah. i guess bravo was -- >> taping. maybe got through the mob. >> housewives of washington. these people need to be thrown in jail for a year. >> if the balloon boy people can get charged, so too can these people. >> these people should be thrown in jail for a year. i'm sorry. i don't know who it is. whoever runs secret service needs to be fired, and whoever runs secret service at the white house needs to be fired. >> joe, isn't there a little playful side of you that thinks it's kind of impressive they managed to sneak in? >> no. when you have a president who has more threats to his wife than any other president before, in the current environment, a hate-filled environment where the secret service should be on guard, no, i think these people should be thrown in jail for as long as these people can be thrown in jail. stephen a. smith, i heard you talking. >> there is no question. what i was saying, i disagreed with you initially when you said a year. i think it should be as long as possible. i don't care if it's five years. this is not a joke. this man, he had a secret service detail long before everybody else. we know the death threats this man has received -- actually, we don't know how many he's received. the reality is you've got people with a balloon trying to get a reality show. now you've got this kind of nonsense. this is not a joke. they should be thrown in jail. fire whoever messed up the security detail later. throw them in jail. >> that is the problem. balloon boy and now this. it's this reality show culture. >> weird, obsessed people. >> where people are rewarded for acting badly. chrystia, do you have a playful side? >> aren't we complicity right now by talking about it? >> not if i'm saying, you s these two people on the screen, they need to be thrown in jail for several years or as long as you can throw them in jail. and secret service, a lot of people need to be fired. there has to be a zero tolerance for this. >> you've got to set an example. >> you really do. chrystia, you said, isn't there a playful side of me? is there a playful side of you? or is this the canadian in you? let's just fool around with security. >> having gone through all the millions of security checks that it takes to get into the white house if you have a legitimate reason to be there. >> yeah. >> i have to -- acknowledging all of these security issues and so forth -- be astonished and amazed that they managed to do it without being on the list. >> sounds like you're amused. >> it's hard to get in there when you're supposed to be in there. >> why don't you just whistle "o canada" while we go to break. >> stephen and chrystia, stay with us. we've got a big show, including jim cramer stopping by to weigh in on the white house plan to end foreclosures. >> jim's for more taxes. >> i want to know how we prevent too big to fail. and nbc's chuck todd on a big week for the president, including that primetime address on afghanistan. and' and'topping the politico playbook, what are the heads of doog l, disney, and fedex prepared to tell the president on the much hyped jobs summit. first, here's jim cairns with the forecast. last day of november. a lot of people are wondering where is any signs of winter? remains very warm around the country. we are ending one of the warmest novembers on record. look at the temperatures this morning. there's cool air out there but nothing like bone chilling cold. even looking up into canada, there's only a couple hints of cold air. that will make a run at us, looks like next week. a little light rain with a cold front heading through the east. new orleans, san antonio, mid-atlantic, including the big cities of new england we'll have a chance of rain. otherwise, november ends very quietly. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. i drove my first car from my parent's home in the north of england to my new job at the refinery in the south. i'll never forget. it used one tank of petrol and i had to refill it twice with oil. a new car today has 95% lower emissions than in 1970. exxonmobil is working to improve cars, liners of tires, plastics which are lighter and advanced hydrogen technologies that could increase fuel efficiency by up to 80%. compare a well equipped lexus es, to a well-equipped buick lacrosse. get inside each. and see what you find. if perfection is what you pursue, this just might change your course. meet the new class of world class. the twenty-ten lacrosse, from buick. may the best car win. ♪ [ female announcer ] get the taste of a home-cooked meal at work with new marie callender's homestyle creations. marie callender's homestyle creations -- a little touch of home for lunch. tylenol pm is recommended by more doctors than any other sleep medicine. it eases pain... and helps you sleep, in a non-habit forming way. hey, did everyone watch the parade yesterday? we were in it. we were in the parade. it was so much fun. there were some new balloons. they had mickey mouse dressed up as a sailor, spider-man, the pillsbury doughboy, and ronald mcdonald. they were picked to fit this year's theme, things you see when you're high. >> almost 20 past the hour. time to take a look at the morning papers. "the wall street journal," worries grow over gulf rift. ucht ae pledge is little comfort to dubai. >> and "the washington post," u.s. offers new role in pakistan. and a party united and divided. opposition to obama is strong, but republicans are split on leaders. >> did you take your purity test? >> what morons. >> the washington times, medicare fraudsters rake in billions. a look at the health care bills, crack down on scams. question if it will work. >> and "san francisco chronicle," costs at issue in health bill debate. cushing expenses key to passage in senate. >> "houston chronicle" four officers shot dead in ambush. may be rooted in an attack in a coffee shop no washington state. >> "orlando sentinel," woods hires lawyer. still shuns florida highway patrol. >> here we go. that's a quick look at the headlines around the country. great article on the front page of "the new york times" business section yesterday on a food company helping other companies change their employees' diets. it was very good. you should look at it. >> alabama plays florida this weekend. >> made us all feel bad after thanksgiving. >> what's that? football? >> the article mika mentioned, made us all feel bad about ourselves after thanksgiving. >> i may actually go to that game so i don't have to listen to gary danielson and vern lundqvist. does nobody run cbs sports? >> tim tebow. >> they literally said, we may never see another like him. >> i know who runs cbs sports. >> who runs cbs sports? >> sean mcmanus. >> will you tell sean to watch his football coverage on the weeke weekend? >> i know what he's doing. >> not when it comes to tim tebow. have you never heard such sink fants in your life as vern lundqvist talking about tim tebow? spend five minutes with this young man and your life will never be the same. it's the sickest thing i've ever seen. >> that was the game on fox last year, thom brennaman. spend five minutes with this man, and your life will never be the same. he's a 21-year-old football player. >> vern and gary do it every week. it's a sickness. he's 21 years old. >> are you suggesting something, willie? >> no, not at all. it's bizarre these old men are so, so obsessed with a 22-year-old football player. he's a great football player and a great kid, but slow down. >> stephen a. smith, do you ever see these guys on cbs sports talking about tim tebow as if he's jesus christ himself. >> i don't want to point at cbs, but the pom-poms have been a bit irritating to watch. there is no denying that. i will say this. i think it's an indictment against what people think about the world of college sports, and particularly athletes, when you elevate this guy to the proportions that they've done. so he is a fabulous human being. he's got a great, great record. but i've got news for you. he's not even going to get drafted in the first round of the nfl draft. he's a great college player. he's a winner, and he's a fabulous human being. i wish him all the best in the world. but on that next level, this guy is not going to be a first round pick. >> he's a third string tight end for the san francisco 49ers. >> might be a little bit better than that, but he's not going to be a first rounder. >> no. gary and vern, seriously, i'm watching you, gary and vern. you guys are pathetic. >> stop it. be nice. >> get over your crush. the crimson tide this weekend, crimson tide's going to roll. willie, let's go to politico. >> vern's a national treasure, and gary is a great analyst as long as they're not talking about tim tebow. >> they're out of their mind when they're talking about tim tebow. >> they are. speaking of national treasures, let's turn to mike allen, political correspondent for politico. >> i just want to kiss him. >> oh, stop it. >> how was your thanksgiving? >> fantastic, thank you. had a little hoop, a little turkey down in north carolina. deep fried a turkey, didn't blow it up like in all the youtube videos. >> sounds delicious. >> that's how do you it down on tobacco road. >> it really is. drop it in the deep fryer. let's talk about the jobs summit. before then, the president has the big afghanistan speech tomorrow night. what is this jobs summit. what do we hope to accomplish here? >> the president is trying to show that he's focused on jobs. he's doing this on a number of forums. it's going to surprise everybody there that the stimulus didn't completely do it, so they still want new ways to create jobs. the president's got a bunch of a-listers to come to this thursday job forum, including the heads of fedex, at&t, a bunch of other companies. >> and the most important one, comcast. >> that's right. >> i mean, obviously -- >> joe's favorite ceo brian roberts. >> he's a good looking guy. i've got a feeling all our problems are over. >> so handsome. >> we're going to have full employment by the end of the year. >> just looking at the head shot, you know everything is going to be okay. but google and disney are going to be there. it's going to be huge. acorn had a little pr problem. i don't know if you've read in the papers the last year or so. what are they doing to address that? >> they're talking about changing their name, rebranding. >> i need to do that, change my name. >> is it walnut now? >> i used to think fema should do this. blackwater tried it. they became "z," right? i don't think that's really caught on. acorn is discovering there are individuals and groups that won't work with them unless they change their name. they're not sure they're going to, but something that they're talking about. they recognize that this image isn't going to go away. >> okay. >> what should i change my name to, howard? bob? >> we should run a contest here for a new name for acorn. or a new name for joe. >> anything but joe. >> mike, thank you very, very much. >> morning bob. >> morning willie. how's that? >> i don't think so. >> morning mika. i'd watch that. >> alit rags. very nice. >> that's great. >> we talked to the reporter who broke the story about the white house party crashers when "morning joe" continues. i'm going to ask her whether a public execution in lafayette square is possible. >> now, that's not funny. we'll be right back. >> i wasn't trying to be funny. now your chase card let's you make your own payment plan for what you charge. introducing blueprint. blueprint's free and exclusively for chase customers. for a big purchase, there's split. it lets you decide how much... or how many months you want to pay. so you can be comfortable managing all of your large purchases. if having a plan matters, chase what matters. create your own blueprint at chase.com/blueprint. you can now turn an e-mail... into a conference call. and a conference call... into a conference room with one flip. meet your new business partner. you don't need to get a phone. you need a phone that gets you. ♪ [ female announcer ] for a limited time, get more of the seafood you love... in more new ways than ever... when you create your own seafood feast at red lobster. choose two or three of ten selections. classic favorites like steamed crab legs... to new creations like wood-grilled shrimp... with garlic creme and parmesan. or new salmon with a sweet maple and cherry glaze. get more for your money... when you create your own seafood feast. right now, at red lobster. caused by a completely blocked artery, another heart attack could be lurking, waiting to strike. a heart attack caused by a clot, one that could be fatal. plavix, taken with other heart medicines goes beyond what other heart medicines do alone to provide greater protection against heart attack or stroke and even death by helping to keep blood platelets from sticking together and forming clots. ask your doctor about plavix, protection that helps save lives. 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(male announcer) if you take plavix with other heart medicines continuing to do so will help increase protection against a future heart attack or stroke. feeling better doesn't mean not at risk. stay with plavix. all right. look at washington as the sun comes up this morning. >> beautiful view. >> it is gorgeous. >> somewhere there, there are two people that need to be sent to jail. >> that's right. >> and possibly executed in the public square. >> well, now stop. let's not take it too far. >> and i'm serious about this. members of the secret service that need to be fired immediately. >> definitely, there needs to be a probe. welcome back to "morning joe." time for a look at some of the day's top stories. today marks the beginning of a critical week for the obama administration as its top form and domestic priorities takes center stage. the senate kicks off on health care legislation today while the president plans to unveil his afghan war strategy tomorrow night. later in the week, top executives, labor leaders, and city mayors will gather together for a job summit in an employment crisis that has seen millions of jobs evaporate. >> it is a huge week. the afghanistan story is going to be front and center. live pictures from dubai, where stocks are slumping again today over concerns about the city state's mountain of debt. still a pledge of support over the weekend from the central bank of the uae helped asian markets stage a recovery. cnbc's erin burnett is live in dubai this morning. we'll talk to her later in the show. and from "the new york times" this morning, the rising unemployment rate, the use of food stamps is dramatically expanding and now helping to feed a quarter of the nation's children. according to the report, the stigma of the program is fading with more than 36 million people using it for groceries. most recipients near or below the poverty line, the program is now being utilized by many working americans who are struggling to make ends meet. all right. that's a quick look at the news. we'll talk more about that coming up. first, willie, a look at sports. big game for monday night football tonight. big game, drew brees and new orleans hosting tom brady at the superdome. the team that the saints may face for the nfc championship looks like the minnesota vikings because they are rolling right now behind brett favre, hosting the chicago bears, their rival. it was all minnesota. brett favre hits chester taylor for a little touchdown, ten yards out. puts the vikings up. they never look back. favre going over the middle to visanthe shiancoe for six yards. 24-7 vikings. minnesota wins 36-10. they're now 10-1. >> i never liked the vikings. i like them this year. >> they're fun to watch. favre had 392 yards passing and three touchdowns. 40 years old. the other great quarterback in the league, of course, peyton manning. the colts undefeated coming into this game. they were down 17-0. they came back in the third here. touchdown peyton manning to reggie wayne for four yards. still down 20-14. in the fourth quarter, manning gives the colts the lead for good. 21-10 on a six-yard touchdown for dallas clark there. the colts are 11-0. we'll see if the saints can match that tonight on monday night football. did you see this in tennessee? 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you and i both know it's impossible to get into the white house. how did these kooks get in here? >> this is the embarrassing questions for the white house. there are all kinds of things floating around about collusion with some member of the staff. but we're hearing from guests who also say that procedures were not the same as they should be going in. it was a slightly confusing, chaotic scene. it was dark. there was a single guard out front at the first checkpoint, who seemed to be peering in the dark and rain at people's i.d.s and the lists. of the two security checkpoints they had to go through, only one were they asking for a photo i.d. and then next thing you know, this couple was in. >> amy, it's amateur hour with the secret service. here you've got a president who has more death threats than any other president in u.s. history. again, you and i both know, first you've got to get onto the white house grounds. that's never an easy thing to do. then once you get to the white house, then there's a checklist -- and i don't care if it's raining or snowing or sleeting or lightning, they sit there, and you get wet until they look -- again, this doesn't sound like anything i've ever heard of in my life. >> well, we're hearing from people in secret service who are saying -- or former secret service people who are saying that they guarantee you the next time there is a white house party, you are going to have a lot of people standing outside getting very, very wet. from now on, it's going to be pretty strict. this has been an embarrassing thing. even if there's pressure or tension to make sure these attractive, well-dressed people are taken care of, that's not going to be the dynamic anymore. it's still a mystery. this couple was capturing people's attention from even the moment they attempted to drive in. they had a big limousine. dazzling blond in a red dress. they caught a lot of people's attention. >> a camera crew in tow. >> hair and makeup. >> hair and makeup following them. >> what's the deal with the camera crew? were they allowed in? >> the camera crew, not on grounds. bravo has acknowledged they did have a production team following the salahis through that day. they followed them through their primping at a local salon and accompanied them on the limo ride to the white house and peeled away as the salahis went in. bravo says that they were under the impression that the salahis were welcomed and invited guests because that's what the salahis told them, and they had no reason to believe that the salahis were crashing or anything else like that. >> willie, did you say that you read that the excuse for letting them in was it was raining? >> it's in amy's paper this morning. "the washington post" said it was raining, so they waved them through so they wouldn't have to stand and get wet. a security expert said, i'd advise the white house to buy some umbrellas before the next event. >> stephen. >> what about that picture? i don't want to call it sleazy, but it was pretty close, that the lady took with the vice president joe biden. they clearly went in to make a scene. these people should be arrested immediately and thrown in jail. let's figure out everything later. >> there's certainly a kind of stupidity here. >> oh, my, look at this. >> they could have gotten away with this arguably if they'd just kept a lower profile. they went waltzing past my colleague roxanne roberts. we're the only people in washington who are familiar with both the white house and local aspiring tv shows and winery feuders. she looks at them and thinks, aren't those the salahis? they breeze past her. we spent the rest of the night, is that really who she saw? the salahis solved that for us by posting photos on facebook for all the world to see, making proof and spectacle of what they've done last night. >> amy, you're familiar with these people. who are these winery people? you have to wonder about people who want cameras to follow them around and record their actions? who are these people? >> the salahis have been familiar to us. tareq salahi is familiar in northern virginia polo playing circles. >> of course. that's where i met him. >> he's been a figure in a couple of feuds that have burst out in polo playing circles that we've written about here and there. most notely he's been involved in a very bitter, very bruising feud with his parents over control of oasis winery, which his parents founded in hume, virginia, in 1977. it's an ugly thing. you've got the parents claiming it's theirs. him claiming it's his. filing bankruptcy in the winery's name. it's ambiguous whether it's open or not. they were taking the bravo crew there to do filming against his mother's wishes. but the feud has been in our papers a few years ago. >> now they want money to tell their story? >> allegedly. that's what television executives are telling us. >> thank you so much. we greatly appreciate this, amy. what a story. if they do get $250,000, i hope they have to use it on lawyers' fees. >> they'll get it. right, mika? they'll get it. >> you know what, i'm sorry. at the rate we're going, they probably will. >> stephen, do you think they're going to get it? >> i think they're going to get it. i think there needs to be a lot of heat brought down on anybody who actually gives it to them. similar to the balloon fiasco. you can't reward such behavior. you've got to draw a line in the sand. they've got to be dealt with viciously and immediately. >> viciously, i'm with you. chain them to a radiator in stress positions. yes, we agree. by the way, this waterboarding thing, you can do it domestically as well. >> wouldn't go that far. >> and we're not going to get any information from them. i just want to waterboard them. let's just say too -- >> the truth comes out now, joe. >> about what? >> the real purpose of waterboarding. >> oh, no. >> i will not allow this. >> it's just in fun. >> i will not allow this. >> so anyway, bravo, owned by nbc universal, i think they have some questions to answer too. i want to know if they knew they were going to try to crash the white house. if so, that's extraordinarily reckless. have we seen any comment on bravo saying whether they knew these people were going to try to crash? >> amy just reported saying they dropped them off and drove off, or separated from it. they had no idea. >> they had no idea they were going to crash the party? >> i believe that's what she just said although i'm not sure how that's possible. >> bravo thought they were invited guests. >> they believed they had an invitation is how she said it. >> let's read a couple of must read op-eds. >> i'm not sure about this one, but we'll put it out there and maybe talk about it later. there's this barbie doll, and it wears a burka. >> good. that sends the right message for the girls. >> i can't believe this. apparently, for a very fancy sotheby's fund-raiser for save the children, they're putting 500 of them out. here's how the washington times puts it. they crystallize their concern over burkha barbie. "we are surprised that save the children is so excited about burkha barbie. by rights, it should condemn the doll. by rights, save the children is for a world in which every child is ensured the right to protection. we wonder if burkha barbie will have acid thrown in her face if she removes the burkha which is the current target in afghanistan for school girls. if the doll were anatomically correct, we might expect to see genital mutilation barbie. as this new wave of political correctness seizes the imagination and occupies the toy industry, we could well see suicide vest ken being stopped at a checkpoint by don't ask, don't tell g.i. joe. i have to say. >> stephen a. smith, what do you think? >> i don't know what to think. that's a very, very bizarre -- i'm very rarely rendered speechless, joe, as you know. this is one of those times. >> stephen a. smith, we'll leave it there. >> we'll leave it right there. >> hey, we need you on set. >> when you invite me in, i'll come in studio. >> get into your car and come on up. >> all right, man. >> they do -- the first part of that raises questions about a burqa on a barbie doll for save the children. that's what i'm saying. specifically for save the children to be excited about it raises a lot of questions. >> it's really wrong to raise money on it. coming up, what is the world's fattest country? >> i hope it's us. i've been working all weekend. i want to put us over the top. >> it's next in "news you can't use." >> i've got these t-shirts, "me want food." >> you're losing weight. admit it. you're working on a healthier lifestyle. plus chuck todd and jim cramer. natural gas is a cleaner burning fuel, yet a lot of natural gas has impurities like co2 in it. controlled freeze zone is a new technology... being developed by exxonmobil... to remove the co2 from the natural gas... so we can safely store it... where it won't get into the atmosphere. exxonmobil is spending more than 100 million dollars... to build a plant that will demonstrate this process. i'm very optimistic about it... because this technology could be used... to reduce greenhouse gas emissions significantly. ♪ okay, now here's our holiday gift list. aww, not the mall. well, i'll do the shopping... if you do the shipping. shipping's a hassle. i'll go to the mall. hey. hi. you know, holiday shipping's easy with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service. if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. yea, i know. oh, you're good. good luck! priority mail flat rate shipping starts at $4.95 only from the postal service. a simpler way to ship. sometimes, the little things in life feel like our biggest enemies. they can be damaged... they can be stolen. happily, there's the american express charge card. if something you recently bought with the card breaks, it can be repaired, replaced or your account can be credited. you'll even get membership rewards points with each purchase. and peace of mind when you travel. can your card say that? what do i get my husband? ♪ high-def tv, high-def tv ♪ in 1080p ♪ with 120 hertz, guys are so easy ♪ ♪ high-def tv, high def tv, we really do agree ♪ ♪ guys just want a nice big screen ♪ ♪ to stare at frozenly [ ding ] ok. ♪ when he sees this thing ♪ we have to warn you now ♪ it looks just so awesome ♪ he's gonna have a cow moo. 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>> conventional crisis management is you get out in front of it. people say it's a mistake. now you've got lots of stories. when you're not speaking, there's an implied guilt. >> like david letterman, get out and own it. >> he'll get out in front and have a news conference. he'll say, i made a mistake. he's going for therapy, maybe sexual addiction. this is what he'll do. the reality is this does not hurt him at all. if you look at the story as far as brands and endorsements, kobe was charged with rape. his advertisers kind of stepped back a little bit. he's in nike ads now. ray lewis was charged with murder. he's the madden cover boy. pizza hut hired him. even if he committed adultery, i'm going to go one step further. since he sells male products, nike, gatorade, gillette. i had a driver yesterday say to me -- let's be honest. >> he's speaking the truth. >> mika, don't shoot the messenger. how about the tiger, just like you and me? it makes him relatable. >> this is available in your local grocery store. >> he didn't do anything. >> no. i'm reporting market research. market research out in the field. i knew i was coming on today, so i was out in the field with a rain slicker yesterday. >> you're doing a great job. >> this is what a guy unsolicited. this is a nonevent for him. he's got to get out in front of it. you can't continue to hide. i would have been out in front of it over the weekend. >> are you saying it's a positive because he endorses men's things? >> but if you look one step further, this was a guy that was one-dimension one-dimensional. people didn't know anything about him. it makes him relatable. how is letterman doing? numbers through the roof. it made him a human being. he's not right. in the scheme of things, he dependent bre didn't break the law. his wife gets mad at him also. he's like joe down the street. >> it seems the one risk is pushing off law enforcement. he can't keep telling the cops, i'm not talking to you. >> he can't seem like he's got different rules. whereas if you or i or anybody said, guess what, i don't feel like talking. although legally -- and i'm not a legal expert. he didn't have to talk. he had to give them his driver's license, but he's not legally obliged to talk. he can't seem like he's hiding in any way, shape, or form. >> what's he say? if the reports we've heard out there are true that he and his wife are having problems. >> unfortunately, whatever he says now, that makes it -- if the truth comes out, which most people seem to think is the reality. he's got this girlfriend. usually if you're backing out at 2:30 in the morning and his wife with a golf club, there tends to be a domestic issue. he seems like he's telling the tale. he's got to tell the story. i didn't tell the truth initially. i screwed up. what he can't do is i'm a private person. leave me alone. this is what offends me about celebrities. you sign a contract. when you get $100 million a year to play golf and endorse products, you are not a private figure. you're taking that money and you sign kind of an unofficial contract that you're not private. you can't go, i'm private. leave me alone. >> i said for the past hour and all weekend, we should leave tiger alone. >> why? the american public decides what is their business. unfortunately, he's not the guy next door. you are a public figure. you take public figure money. he does magazine covers on his own will. he's very happy to use that public persona in his favor. >> why can't tiger say, go to hell. if you don't want to buy my golf clubs, don't buy them. >> he does lose his endorsements. if i'm nike, i'm saying, take a walk. at the end of the day, you've got to be likable. >> if he says, this is between my wife and me, this is none of your business. >> he is a franchise for nike. in reality he's a corporate citizen, and he can't go screw you to america. >> i think he's big enough and powerful enough to say to nike, screw you. if you want me to reveal my family's problems, i'll just go to adidas. >> makes him look like a jerk. he's not going to do that. it would make him unlikable. you screwed up. doesn't mean you're a bad guy and i'm not going to buy your golf balls, but these things happen. you can't say, screw you. i'm too big. i don't have to talk to anybody. the world doesn't work that way. >> he's done it his whole life. he's tiger woods. it's not going to work? >> it's going to be the wrong move. he can do whatever the hell he wants. he doesn't need anybody. he's got $1 billion. he can get on a mountain top and say screw you. it wouldn't work for his brand. he doesn't have to cry. he doesn't have to say it's the end of the world. he does have to say, oops, i screwed up. i feel terrible. i think the sex clinic is always a good out. sexual addiction. how many times have you seen this situation where the guy goes, i have a sexual addiction. >> not that many. >> i don't know what club you go to on the weekends, brother, but no. i have to say, i don't know anybody. >> would you pass me the second bag of morning joe blend. >> does she ever hurl physical and verbal assaults at other people? that's young school girls. that's the way they show they actually like you. >> exactly. there's no doubt about it. what else is there? >> i'm going to move on now. at least two senators are calling for criminal charges against the virginia couple who crashed the white house state dinner last week. the secret service is investigating how michaele and tareq salahi attended the event without an invitation. federal agents interviewed the couple over the weekend. secret service is also looking into its own actions and speaking with the white house social office, which is in charge of the guest list, what happened. as president obama prepares to unveil his afghan war strategy tomorrow, a new senate report is many slaing the previous administration for failing to capture osama bin laden. the terrorist was, quote, within our grasp in the mountains of tora bora in late 2001 but escaped because then defense secretary donald rumsfeld rejected calls for reinforcements. the findings come as the president's allies try to build public support for the war while blaming the last administration for its failures. >> there's a new report from your committee that basically confirms osama bin laden was within the grasp of u.s. military at tora bora in december of the year of 9/11. had he been killed or captured at that time, do you think we would still have u.s. force ins afghanistan? >> maybe not. i would say there would be a good chance we would not have forces or need to have forces there. this has been kind of well-known for some time. we took our eye off the ball. instead of moving in on him at tora bora, the previous administration decided to move its forces to iraq. it was a mistake then, and i think this report of the foreign relations committee just sort of reinforces that. >> that's actually one of the most ignorant things i think i've ever heard said on afghanistan. there is not a single serious thinker in washington, d.c., that says, if we capture or kill osama bin laden, that the fight against the taliban and al qaeda will be over. that's just stupidity. that's looking back. donny, you're a big lib. >> it's not constructive. it's just not constructive. >> don't you have to look back a little bit in order to make decisions moving forward? >> in any war game in decisions in life, we took this turn versus that turn. i don't think it's constructive at that point. >> we'll see what the president says tomorrow night. he may be the republican front-runner for the 2012 presidential race, but governor mike huckabee isn't ready to throw his hat into the ring. recent polling shows him topping the list of potential candidates, huckabee says a lack of support within the party makes him question the rationale of another run. >> it's easy to say, oh, gee, don't you want to jump back in it? jumping into the pool, you've got to make sure there's water in it. there's a whole different deal with folks taking a poll and whether there's the financial support. it's less likely rather than more likely just because i would have to see that the republicans would be willing to unite behind me. the last time out, my biggest challenge was with the establishment republicans who just never showed their support. and while i think a person can possibly win without them, the republican party needs to unite if it's going to win in 2012. >> don't disagree with that. do you? >> no. you know, mike huckabee did very well in iowa with no support from the base. i mean, the party. but he got savaged the rest of the way through as a liberal. believe it or not, mike huckabee was attacked by the establishment republicans as being too liberal. so i think he's basically saying, i'm not going to go through that again. why should i? >> he's not going to pass the purity test that some republicans. >> there's a big willie horton ad against him as well. >> did you just read that? the four cops that get shot up in -- let's explain. the four officers that got shot, executed really, ambushed this past weekend in washington state. the guy that they believe is the murderer was released by mike huckabee. >> that alone will keep him away. >> furloughed. >> talk about willie horton, 2012. >> there's a new report that guy may be dead. cops surrounded his house this morning, had a shootout. they're saying he might be dead. >> you're exactly right. that's the willie horton. >> smoke and gun. that alone is the deal breaker. >> also talking about the polls. there was a new "washington post" poll out this morning that takes a look at what republicans are thinking almost a year into the obama presidency. look at these numbers. 46% say they are angry toward obama's policies. 43% are dissatisfied. only 11% say they have positive feelings. this is about the president's policies. meantime, 42% say the republican party is headed in the wrong direction. >> that's unbelievable. about half of the republican party believes that their own party is headed in the wrong direction. >> 49% say the right direction. as for the leader that reflects core republican values, which has been a big talker over the weekend, 18% say sarah palin. 13% say john mccain. mike huckabee has 7%. rush limbaugh, 2%. and george w. bush, 1%. while 69% blame the former president for a great deal or some for republican problems. 30% hardly blame him at all. let's kind of pare this down a little bit. >> it is stunning. one year after ronald reagan left office, if you asked republicans who best represents, i would say 60%, 75% of republicans would say ronald reagan. here, 1%, donny deutsch, say george w. bush. and there's not a single republican that gets over 20%. this is the balkanization of the republican party. there is no leader in that party. >> what's interesting, let's go to a brand. there's one word that they need, new. by definition, everybody that's under the tent right now is not electable. it's interesting you bring up ronald reagan. ronald reagan would not be republican today as far as their standards. the pure, ideological, this is what a republican is. they've got to figure it out. joe, you and i have talked a lot about this. it's not a winnable game they're playing. they need a centrist. once again, you have to expand that base. it's borderline insanity the way they portray themselves. it is arithmetically impossible to get elected if you play -- forget electorally, forget the primary, but in a general election, that brand of republican is not electable. >> when you say a centrist -- >> for a republican. >> what you're saying is they need to be moderate temperamentally like ronald reagan. they need to be more truly conservative on spending. >> it's funny. like you, what you stand for -- and i know you're not a politician -- but what you stand for is you're moderate in temperament, you're fiscally conservative, you're kind of tolerant as far as human rights. >> inclusive. >> i'm very tolerant of mika, and that's not easy. >> this is the brand. i'm serious. this is the brand that people want. and it is how they cannot see that is is it unto go stunning . if i'm obama, keep putting palin forward, keep putting these people forward. i believe that someone will rise in the republican party. >> we talked about it in virginia. bob mcdonnell, very conservative ideology, not just fiscally, but socially. he refused to talk about social issues. jobs, jobs, jobs, that was his focus. he was a family guy. >> and the temperament. >> and he had good temperament. >> the bottom line is they keep putting these rules to live by for republicans at a time of tremendous opportunity. >> did you read kathleen parker? >> "washington post," she calls it the gop suicide pact. james bopp jr., chief sponsor of the resolution and a committee member from indiana, has said that the problem is that many conservatives have lost trust in conservative credentials of the republican party. actually, no, the problem is that many conservatives have lost faith in the ability of republican leaders to think. the resolutions aren't so much statements of principle as dogmatic responses to complex issues that may occasionally require more than a sharpie check in a little square." she's talking about this purity test that some republicans want conservatives to pass. >> isn't the purity word a scary word? doesn't it bring back bad times in the 1930s, 1940s in other place in the world? >> you know, we had tim pawlenty on a month ago. he wouldn't say that he wanted olympia snowe in the republican party. ask haley barbour. ask haley barbour if he believes in a purity test. hell no. >> hell no. we've got to get them in, and we don't have the 60 votes to worry about anymore. i figured this stuff out. >> here's a guy, haley barbour, very conservative. he wishes jim jeffords was still a republican in vermont. it is sheer stupidity. these people just destroying themselves. >> coming up, a big week for the president. as the secret service is under fire. what will be the fallout for letting in the party crashers to last week's state dinner? chuck todd's at the white house with this morning's gaggle. plus fixing foreclosures. the white house has a new plan to keep people in their homes. will it work? 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are you a marxist? >> i'm against the trader tax. >> you're a marxist. >> i was at one time, and i switched. >> so you're against the trader tax. >> i'm against the trader tax. what i fear is they're going to give us something. they're going to take our capital gains tax back to ordinary income or take our dividend tax. those are completely unpalatable. this is just bad. if they do it, it will wipe out a lot of mom and pops who are trying to trade for a living. >> that would be a tax on every stock. >> you get this transaction, if you bought 100 shares of apple, you would not charged an additional $50 above what you pay. we don't want that. we want investment in securities. but i also recognize -- and this is something i talked about with matt lauer last week on the "today" show -- the hatred of wall street is so great that the idea that we can get away with having no tax is probably not going to happen. but i'm against it. >> something has to be taxed. you think this may be the least offensive. >> what i'm saying is nothing should be taxed. nothing. >> i'm with you. >> with a trading tax, is that going to stop trading? is that going to stop investing? in reality, is it going to stop wall street or feed main street's need for a little evening of the scale? >> i'm against renting. i would rather have people own. this encourages -- the low rate of tax encourages renting. at the same time, i don't want the capital markets taxed in part because the capital markets were very hobbled by this. i want mom and pop in. i want retail people in. i don't want them to be discouraged by having a tax on top of what they do. i do come back to they're going to kill us. i would just like them to kill us in some area it kills us less. >> let's bring in chuck todd at the white house. >> reporter: really quick on that i want to say to jim. instead of a tax, we should just let these brokerage houses continue to charge us fees. they're taxing us too, by the way. we should not allow -- we just want all that money to go to the brokerage firms. >> really good point. >> we have credit card fees that have gone down. we have a consumer who's more prudent in not using credit cards that much. do the banks do well? they did a lot better than they did in europe. we forget that. and the brokers -- look, the brokers, the ones that have survived, they're doing pretty well. i don't want this tax because it will discourage people coming back into the market. that's the one thing that hasn't happened. people do not like to be in the market. they don't want to be in the market anymore. they've left stocks. they need to come back. >> let's move on. a big week at the white house this week, chuck todd. a lot of people still talking about what happened last week. i really, seriously, as somebody that's gotten into the white house several times, it's never easy. it's never easy. is somebody in the secret service going to lose their skrjob? >> reporter: you do wonder if that's going to happen. before i had my so-called hard pass, there would be days i couldn't even get in because they would restrict the area. it does make you wonder if somebody made a mistake. i know of a former musician friend of mine who was performing at the state dinner, took them 45 minutes to get in because the secret service agent that was checking their i.d.s couldn't deal with a married name/maiden name issue and triple checked it before they would let this person in. so clearly an agent made a mistake. there's no room for error when it's talking about the safety of the president of the united states. >> and it's not like there's one checkpoint. there's several checkpoints to get in. this happened several times. chuck, how ironic that this happened at the white house where the president has more death threats than any other president in history. >> reporter: it is. you know, the other part of this is it's sort of like every time you think we've sunk lower as a culture when it comes to this what people will do for their 15 minutes of fame. i mean, think about it. andy warhol said that comment about 15 minutes of fame. i think over 50 years ago. and now it's like coming true every second of the day. >> it keeps getting worse, i know. >> reporter: we have some crazy kook trying to get their own 15 seconds. we make tv shows out of it now. >> make a lot of money. >> we would love a reality show that shows them being marched up to the guillotine and having their heads lopped off. >> stop it. >> get rid of them. >> it's not funny. >> and if you can execute them, just execute them. chuck, let's talk about afghanistan. the president has a big speech coming up tomorrow night. right now it looks like he's going to ask for about 30,000 or so troops with an exit strategy waterpro . is that what you're hearing at the white house? >> reporter: it is, and it's not the troop number we should be focused on, at least that's what they want us to say, because how he presents what the exit strategy, off-ramps, whatever phrase you want to use is going to be what makes that speech work or not work. because he's going to be talking to the political left here in this country. he's going to be talking to karzai in afghanistan internationally. he's going to be talking to nato allies. he's got so many groups he has to talk to with this speech, and all of them want to hear what an exit strategy looks like. none of them want to hear about the exact number of troops. i have a feeling tomorrow's speech is going to be as much about what does the end game look like than it does about -- it's almost going to be, oh, by the way, here's the number of troops we're sending over. >> chuck, give us the headlines on this, and i want to go to cramer real quick. fixing foreclosures as well as the job summit. other headlines out of the white house. what are they planning to do? >> reporter: this job summit, this is one of those things a lot of people are going to say, willie, we need a summit now? we need the jobs now. they have a real challenge to make this thursday event look like more than just a simple photo-op. it feels like a photo-op right now. bring in all the heads of companies, have a conversation, have a meeting. i think a lot of people who are sitting on the unemployment line are going to be like, well, okay, what's the plan? what's the jobs legislation? what are you doing to create a job today? and i think that's -- that makes this thursday challenge, i think, a pretty tough one for the president. >> yeah. to make it different from the fiscal responsibility summit. >> reporter: we've had a couple of these summits. remember the health care summit, all of this. >> exactly. >> reporter: they feel good. i think everybody here feels good about it. you watch it, and you're like, boy, this is the way we all envisioned how government should work. then you never see the action plans. you never see them come back and say, you know what, we sent people back. this is the plan. now we're moving forward. that seems to be the missing piece. >> mika, in february, the fiscal responsibility summit. we don't want to talk about what happened moving beyond that summit. >> no, we don't. cramer, the jobs summit, does it give you any hope that something might come through? >> every time i hear mortgages, i think, no, forget it, that's not the issue. create jobs. the reason why people are walking away from their homes and not paying their mortgage is they don't have a job. they can try to remedy all these little different inklings about what you should do with principal versus interest, forget it. it's about jobs. that's all it's ever been. >> more on that coming up. chuck, thank you very much. jim cramer, stick around. coming up, a look at the morning's headlines, including what's the deal with dubai, where stocks are slumping once again? erin burnett is there live. great, experts. what do i get my husband? ♪ high-def tv, high-def tv ♪ in 1080p ♪ with 120 hertz, guys are so easy ♪ ♪ high-def tv, high def tv, we really do agree ♪ ♪ guys just want a nice big screen ♪ ♪ to stare at frozenly [ ding ] ok. ♪ when he sees this thing ♪ we have to warn you now ♪ it looks just so awesome ♪ he's gonna have a cow moo. 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they got in, do you? >> no. let's move from washington, d.c., to central florida. tiger woods, did he commit a crime. what crime could he have committed? >> i think the more likely scenario is the authorities are investigating whether his wife committed a crime. tmz is reporting, for example, they're trying to get a search warrant to look at his hospital records, et cetera, to determine whether she may have assaulted him. >> wouldn't he have to press charges? >> not necessarily. think about it. let's change the scenario entirely. not tiger woods and it's a man. guy goes and allegedly -- let's assume. let's make up a scenario that didn't happen here. we'll make one up. let's make one up that lo and behold some guy goes after his wife with a golf club. right? the authorities would be -- even if she didn't want to pursue the charges, the authorities would still investigate. >> right. >> is that fast? i feel like it's been rough. you said rapid fire. i got nervous. >> it's like 1-800-abrams. >> 1-800-buy a lawyer. >> did i get it? >> thank you so much. dan abrams, always good seeing you. >> it's fast. >> he's cute. >> ron, you wrote a great book on the secret service, and i've got to say the thing that i can't get past -- and something that you highlighted -- this president has had more threats to his life than any other president. how does something like that happen in this environment? >> that's right. the threats are actually up 400% against obama as compared to when bush was in ofgs. it goes back to corner cutting the secret service has been engaged in ever since it was acquired by homeland security in 2003 to a shocking degree. for example, they'll let -- even some ways more shocking than what happened here. they'll let people in to major events to see the president or the vice president without putting them through magnetometers at all or shut it down early at events. under the bush administration, bush aides actually pressured the secret service to let people in, and they would put them through magnetometers but turn off the machine so that, if an alarm sounded, nothing would happen. >> why? >> as well as -- >> why? ron, this is insanity? >> it's a combination of they're tremendously overwhelmed, understaffed, underfunded. but also the management has this culture of denial of we make due with less. they cover up shortcomings. and they're also afraid of offending political staffs. that's a factor here. if they turned away this couple, they might be accused of making trouble. for example, when mary cheney was under protection, dick cheney's daughter, she would insist that agents take her friends to restaurants. that's not their job. they're not taxi drivers. they objected. and because of that, she got her detail leader removed. so the management of secret service, spineless as it is, would not support the troops, got this guy removed for doing his job. now, that sends a message that you'd better not mess with the political staffs and you'd better just let people in. in addition -- >> ron, that's what i mean. that's been happening for decades. what hasn't been happening for decades, though, is, again -- you've been to the white house, right, donny? >> yes. >> donny, i, as a sitting member of congress, would go through one checkpoint after another in the 1990s. i still sometimes almost didn't get in. i, of course, have 12 felony convictions. that's a problem. >> you're supposed to stay a certain number of feet away from schools too. there was apparently a school nearby. >> they have a restraining order. >> they will tighten the security. the good news out of this in any nonsecurity threatening situation, you brought to the service some holes. it was interesting, they fired the woman -- the white house fired the woman, the new social secretary who was specifically in charge up until june of being the person at the gate when these people come in. kind of the connection between the people inviting the people and security. they cut her loose in june and said, we don't need your services. >> interesting. question for ron because the bottom line with this is these pictures are humiliating. this mrs. salahi has her hands all over joe biden, pictures of them with the president. this is as bad as it gets. were any laws broken? what is the potential of what happens now to this couple? >> i think various laws could be used to prosecute them, including lying to a federal officer? they will be prosecuted as a deterrent. more importantly, this exposes the fact, and i've interviewed over 100 current or former agents, including agents at headquarters. usually, we waterboard them to get them to talk. and what they tell me is that it's a miracle that there has not been an assassination so far because of all the holes, all the shortcomings in the secret service. it really is a scandal. the secret service is very good at covering up and sort of using smoke and mirrors to make people think that everything is under control. obama issued a statement saying he has full confidence in the secret service. it's true that the agents themselves are very dedicated and brave. but the management itself is really derelict in its duty. >> yeah. ron, thank you so much. >> ron kesler, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> greatly appreciate it. dan abrams, obviously, they had to lie to federal agents to get into the white house. >> we think. unless -- i mean, look, there was talk about the possibility that maybe they had some help from someone on the indian side, et cetera. who knows exactly what may have happened or didn't happen. but you're right. if they lied, particularly if they did something in writing, even if, you know, as much as signing their name to a document could be considered a federal crime. but, you know , i do kind of agree that whatever crime they're charged with, if any, is kind of secondary to the bigger picture here. >> i don't know if it is secondary because we've got to send out a signal. we're running amok. balloon boy, i don't have to go through this. there is a signal. this is going to cost lives. forget the president -- >> let's assume this happened a year ago. a year ago something similar had happened, and the people were prosecuted, and they ended up getting 30 days. do you think these two people wouldn't have done it because a message had been sent? >> you know, i think it would stop people. >> come on. because, by the way, if your lives get ruined, it's a different story. >> this is about reality tv. this is about getting a show. this is about charging "good morning america." >> and bravo should say, no, you're not coming on our show. >> right there. >> so bravo may be culpable, owned by nbc universal. these housewives of all these different places now, the housewives of washington, d.c. -- >> the one of new jersey was written up this weekend, which is an attack, i felt, on italian-americans. >> jersey shore. >> to all italian-americans. >> violent guys. it's not reality tv. >> sounds like dan abrams. >> suddenly we're talking about the italians they show on bravo. we can indict all of bravo, i'm sure. >> i'm not indicting bravo, but basically bravo it's the difference between reality tv and celebrating numb nuts like these people. >> have you seen reality tv? all they do is celebrate numb nuts. that's reality tv. it's a celebration of numb nuts. >> i just feel that what's happened with reality tv is the more outrageous, the more life-threatening you get, the more likely you're able to get a contract. that seems wrong to me. >> you're right. >> the networks have to say, listen, we're not going to do this anymore. >> it's cheap to do these reality shows. >> it's so self-righteous. everyone is sitting here saying, well, you know. if we want to say there shouldn't be reality shows, fine. there's a problem with a lot of them, sure. but the idea that somehow these people were the worst of the worst. the first thing i think they should do is do background checks on a lot of people they have on these shows. there's a lot worse people they have on these shows. >> they're symbols of everything run amok. didn't you want to take a shower when you read this? weren't you angry when you saw that on the cover? >> i think we're missing the point here, dan. if somebody wants to go to a jungle and eat cockroaches, that's their business. >> right. >> but when you start screwing around with the security of the president of the united states, then suddenly it becomes a much bigger issue. and if a network understood what was going on, then they are culpable too. it's more than just a couple of balloons from northern virginia. >> we shouldn't be paying people to see how much they can get away with and how close they can get to the president. >> the truth here is networks push envelopes on many levels to get people in reality shows to do things that are inappropriate or even worse. i'm talking about those ones that i constantly rail upon, which is bachelor or "big brother," where it's porn. donny, is it porn? >> why do you go to me? ask jim cramer. why do i get the porn question? >> because i want you to say yes. >> he gets all the porn questions. >> dan, you're the level headeded one. this really talks about how bad this panel is. >> housewives of edna mahon correctional clinic in new york. >> it is. >> the thing is it's driven -- you've run a cable network. not an entertainment cable network, but obviously everybody's cutting costs. so we can't afford all the directors. we can't afford all the script writers. we can't afford all the actors. >> time. >> we get joe scarborough. >> right. and let's get desperate people like joe scarborough. no, everybody knows i'm desperate. it's not funny if it's reality. >> says the guy who doesn't have a show anymore. >> you get desperate people that want to be on tv and you don't have to pay them anything. >> just like glenn beck. >> what's happening to the news people? >> you just 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in the week. this story is more for joe. a lot of people are saying rush limbaugh is the leader of the republican party. you heard it from the white house. that's a talking point. there is a new "vanity fair" poll asking who is the most conservative voice, rush limbaugh by a long shot, and that's 26%, and glenn beck at 11%, and then palin is tied. >> this was the first book i have seen where they were unprepared and not enough made. really extraordinary. >> jim, a difference between being a popular media figure, and electable candidate. these are circus acts. >> is lou dobbs acceptable as a candidate? >> i don't think so. >> because you are a racists. >> i still hate to use that word. i would call it somewhat loaded, the racist term. >> some of the figures -- >> the people who excite people are the ones who people are looking at being elected. >> the purity test. donny, you do not pass the purity test. >> think of the words that they use. not even somebody else is using them. it's 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having an affair. he says his wife acted courageously to help him. >> he said mistakes were made. leave him alone. you said we have had this debate, and i would say public, go to hell. >> he can do that all he wants, people will not go away. they will not stop buying his stuff. it will hurt him in the pocket book. is it going to put him out of business? no. will he still be a good golfer? yes. >> a billion dollar industry, tiger makes, and a lot on the line. >> he makes a lot of dough. if you break down the story, and what published reports? and so there becomes a circulation to the story that is dubious. it will come out. i am not interested. i am interested in tiger woods because of what he can do on the golf course. >> come on. not interested. forget we don't want to be interested. you had no fascination in the story? >> i don't think it's the most fascinating in the story. what is the story there? >> the story will come out. >> what is the story? >> the story is his wife was wielding a golf club. >> but you don't know that. >> that's the reason he has to get out in front of it. once again, did he commit a horrible heinous crime? >> no, obviously not. >> so the story, so far to break it down, was golf club wielding, and he had a traffic accident. i don't know what this is. >> curiosity, he is pulling up at 2:30 in the morning. >> i get the breaking news saturday afternoon, i think it was tiger woods traffic accident, seriously hurt, lying in the street. i was worried, saying i hope he is okay. the second i found out he was okay i seriously -- donny, i know this may be a shock to you. i was fine and went back to my weekend and was like leave him alone. >> and supposedly he has a girlfriend, and there is no curiosity? >> no. >> that made me sad, actually. >> joe, you are a very unusual one in a million kind of human being with no curiosity. >> i think where david is and where i am is where more and more americans are, and that is leave him alone. >> obviously americans are not there, or we -- if i was producing a show i would lead with it, also. >> let's tell the truth about how this works. i didn't even want to talk about this story this morning. in fact yesterday i e-mailed them and said i wunt to talk about afghanistan and all the other things going on, and i was not ordered, but everybody said joe you are on another planet, the ceos watch this show and the media types that watch this show and the senators, everybody is talking about it. everybody is talking about tiger woods. >> we are the media types, and let's make a choice, and the choice is made and you have the choice to what to talk about. >> you have "morning joe" paying for the time, advertising paying for this, and if they didn't indict, their numbers would be smaller. you live by the numbers. let's do pbs. >> i am not saying let's do pbs. i am saying, though, and i finely got swayed when they said people who like news are talking about tiger this morning. they will be talking about tiger this morning. okay, i will climb down from mt. olymp olympus, because maybe i am being too much of a snob on this thing? >> i don't think that it's a matter of being a snob. look how much time was spilled on scandals, fake scandals and nonsense as to opposed to what we should have been paying attention to. the financial crisis that we have today have roots in the clinton administration. is it a boring subject? a pbs subject as you put it? no, but it's something that affects peoples' lives. >> as long as it as coconspirators, it's not our judgment to say you should not have that interest, this is where it is. >> but there are choices and we see it on the show. we were running the president's press conference in japan, and one of our competitors is talking about the balloon boy. >> a proud moment in true media. >> they wanted to cover the balloon boy. those decisions are made, and i think in this case, tiger is such an iconic figure. huge. >> he is the greatest golfer in the history of the game. >> and there are questions to the story that make it a story. >> that's where i disagree. i don't think that there are. >> joe! >> no, there are. i hate to say it. >> and not because he is famous, probably one of the 10 most famous people on the planet. it showed a spark of humanity. he has had a wall around him, and gives interviews on his terms, and all of a sudden we saw this guy has problems like normal human beings. so i am not saying it should be the lead news story everywhere, but it's interesting because it's a little humanity. >> i have no problem with that. but it's a day where the president of the united states is going to go on television and send 30,000 troops to of afghanistan, what are we supposed to think about? >> let's talk about that now. >> it's not either or. >> well, it turns out to be either or. you have a finite resource, and it's called time. >> you are saying the story should not be covered? >> no, i don't say to ignore it and say it doesn't exist. but you are letting the crappy stuff control the dialogue. remember jennifer flowers, and it got into the media as a phenomenon, and now it's straight into the bloodstream and unfiltered. do i think that's healthy for awful us? no, i don't. >> i definitely don't. >> and the way this is getting into the media bloodstream is through tmz. let's move to afghanistan. the president will make a decision and it's not going to be popular with a lot of people. >> we will hear about that tomorrow night as president obama prepares to unveil his afghan star strategy tomorrow. and a previous report is slamming the administration to capture bin laden. the terror leader was in our grasp in late 2001. but he escaped because then defense secretary donald rumsfeld rejected calls for reinforcements. the word is there will be a troop increase, and the question is exactly how he defines the strategy. what specific words, joe, he uses to make that definition. >> what i have been saying all along, get the generals, you get your troops and not your ten years. david, i wonder if we cannot have people on the left and people on the right coming together and saying we are not giving mccrystal another decade over there. >> here is a problem filled with bad choices. look at it from the political point of view. if you are the president of the united states and you don't send the troops and the military establishment leaked into the press through bob woodward what they wanted, which i thought was really unseemly, and so we have it on the board now for weeks and weeks that the military wants x, y and z. if the president refuses that, and suddenly there is a terrorists manifestation in the next couple years, he will not be re-elected. and you have the ambassador in kabul saying the troops will not do what you want. have you a range of opinions and none of them are convincinconvi. >> the president is hearing from republicans over the weekend if he talks about only having them there for a finite time he is sending the wrong message out there. >> politically he has to. if he is putting 30,000 more troops into a war that seems endless, it the quality of endlessness and bleed that has that political affect. >> and the president will have to stand up to the republicans and saying are you telling me we have had troops in afghanistan for eight years and you are criticizing me because i will not give an open-ended commitment to last another decade. the president will have to stand up to the republicans, because i think that argument is insane. >> he took a lot of criticism because he took time to get here. i like that. i like that as opposed to the last president, oops, no weapons of mass destruction there. this is a considered guy, and bear with me, we live in a culture that gets dissected in different ways. >> a lot of it has to do, david, with the president's management style, which is to sit there -- i don't know if you classify this as ringing his hands, but i don't want him to be the decider in chief. he could be a bit more out front on where he is. >> you mention decider and chief in reference to bush. we had a president that was marked by incuriosity, and impulsiveness, and decisions based on faith-based evidence, and the fact that the president of the united states is now somebody that takes certain pride in and is marked by a consideration taking weeks and maybe even months to make a gigantic decision brothers me not at all. >> i think it's the least -- we have other issues with this president that even polls are showing he may be having slipping in the polls. more breaking sports news to bring to you. >> remember the serena williams tirade back in september, she now received -- she received the highest fine in the history of the tennis, and a two-year probation for the tirade. a lot of people think she should have been banned from a couple grand slams coming up, but they are not going to band her. >> these are people that never saw astaus yoe do anything. >> interesting. david, stick around. coming up, erin burnett live from dubai. we have breaking news that she will bring to us. a busy week for the president. it's about to get busier as politico opens the play book and breaks news about obama hitting the road. plus, the seven stories the president does not want you to hear. but first, here is bill karins with a quick check on the forecast. good morning, on this monday today the end of hurricane season. we only had three. today, a little light rain moving through the northeast, and also in atlanta we have rain heading your way in an hour or two. it will be light. minor travel problems. the west coast in the middle of the country looking fine. chicago to denver should look beautiful. enjoy your last day of november. you are watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. 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>> let's break it down quickly and tell us why it's important for everybody across the globe. dubai wanted to be the banking center of the middle east. they made really bad investments. abu dhabi is oil rich. they have been giving them cash for all of their bad investments. abu dhabi, angry at dubai because they got too far out in front and now they are slapping them on the wrist, and in the end they have to come in and save them, do they not? >> yes, they do. and they will come in and save them. the price will just be a massive reevaluation here, and property prices will come down and that will hit a whole lot of european banks -- [ bleep ]. >> she just went down. >> it's a too big to fail scenario. seeing the shot of dubai. remember dubai, and now it looks like allentown of the middle east. >> anytime have you an indoor ski slope, no future there. >> yeah, and so we have her back. >> we lost you, but explain why it's important to the world. >> it's important to the world because 75% of the real estate here is owned by foreigners and a lot of foreign banks made stupid loans to dubai. that pain will be felt by a lot of people and maybe it's not just dubai, but maybe there are other countries that made something that is not good for them now. and you see this. the big headline here is about iran, and that is -- that's really central to this story. it really is central to this story. they are not friendly with iran here, particularly abu dhabi. the white house wants to take this as an opportunity to force dubai to cut all of the financial ties to iran, and that is significant, by the way. a lot of the banks and companies that do business with iran are not allowed to do business with iran, which they do it through dubai. and this story is a way for united states to force cuts to iran. an interesting angle that is highly relevant to this story. >> when the real estate crisis happened, a lot of people said the commercial bubble with bust, and dubai is the extreme version of ram bow commercial real estate investment, and is this a precursor of what is coming around the world? >> well, the biggest lender to the united arab emirates, and they say don't worry about dubai, because it's 2% of the balance sheet, but there are many other commercial real estate properties in the world that have not yet dealt with this. and a lot of the commercial borrowing has to be refinanced in the next couple years, and so if the market does not recover there are problems in other places. they own properties in the united states. and the repercussions of this are globe and closely linked to the u.s. >> and for willie geist, this has become personal. and if there is a connection to vegas, willie geist will get on this. thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> good to see you guys. david, this is a global crisis. >> it's terrible. >> and it's in every single country. >> where it becomes terrible, it becomes a financial trip wire all over the place. if abu dhabi is going to bail out dubai, that's one thing. >> the refinancing of all the commercial properties is coming up in the next couple years, and that's where it's at, commercial real estate. coming up next, the tale of tiger woods, what the crash means for the superstar. and how did the party crashers get past the secret service? 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>> it started in 2008. he wins the u.s. open, but does it by tearing his knee in 57 different places. and the other thing about tiger woods is that in 2009, he throws his club into the crowd at the australian open, and is criticized for cussing on the course. and then he is being inducted in the stanford hall of fame and 60,000 people boo him at half-time. it's a remarkable video if you see it. >> for what? >> i think the standards are too high. the guy plays golf. you are plays golf. you are mad because he swears on a golf course, and i swear in church. he has a stick, and he hits a little ball. and we expecting him to be jesus. >> he did not have a trying year. there is no empathy when people like this fall off the wagon. >> well, tiger is worshipped but heardly loved. he is not a cuddliny tiger. and we should have much more sympathy for the guy out of work in allentown. tiger woods -- a couple years ago, a huge partnership with dubai. tiger woods is the first billion-dollar athlete, and made over a billion dollars in appearances, and this is the part of the tiger woods story that needs to be discussed. with incredible power comes incredible responsibility. he has cultural capital, and has done it by having the sparton image. and he is skated in the media with all sorts of connections in the world. >> david, with all due respect, let's say that there is a marital situation here, and if there is, marriages are a lot different than somebody having a bad human rights record. >> that's the point. this is the "us weekly" edification on sports. i was asked, who is the real tiger woods? i don't know who the real tiger woods is. >> if we stick with tiger woods, it's amazing how he controlled his public image. forget this one story for a moment. he sells his time by the minute. it's like a little kitchen timer. i have never seen anything like it. >> that's why it backfired so strongly, when you are that controlling. >> even derek jeter has a very controlled public image, and doesn't have a whole lot to say off the ball field. >> david, let's talk about the new yorker, and portfolio of power players. who do you have? >> just a little background. we have a staff photographer who is a greek brit, and he goes around in an orange leather jacket, and incredibly charismatic guy, and he wanted to set up a studio during the september festivities, and every world leader stepped into this little studio. they are extraordinary. that's why he has only one name. and all of them seemed very eager to show themselves -- he's from south africa. >> and yeah, you have others. >> yeah, we put them right next to each other, and it produced a comic affect that was unfortunate. and it was a leering fellow on the corner, and christina fernandez is somebody that he might leer at i am afraid. >> how in the world did you guys get all of these leaders -- let's keep showing the photos. but mahmoud ahmadinejad? >> journalism is about showing up and showing up and showing up. it's not romantic. and people just showed up right off to theside of the general assembly, and they all walked in. >> a handsome world leader. it's not an attractive man. and i think we have the best-looking world leader. >> that's not a handsome man. >> at this point, i think as we say in hollywood, a little work going on with gadhafi. >> i don't rate leaders. >> that's a good-looking guy right there. >> yeah, that's hugo chavez. fascinating. >> dave, thank you very much. that was a different take on the tiger story. let's get you on the radio show, david, and i am sure all the stations will love the image of gravy coming out of our noses. thank you for that. and that will stay with us for sometime. thank you for being with us, david, we appreciate it. 1905, roosevelt dispatched the largest mission in the history, and what happened on that mission and how it laid the ground work for world war ii in the pacific. james bradley is next when "morning joe" returns. n... ...i won my first battle! 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(announcer) family moments cost less at walmart. nintendo dsi and imagine video games at unbeatable prices. rated e for everyone. save money. live better. walmart. our next guest is a best-selling author, james bradley. he is out with a new book "the imperial cruise." we are excited to have you here. huge fan of yours. tell us how teddy roosevelt screwed everything up in 1905 with one cruise around the world? >> well, my dad fought iwo jima, and i wondered why he was out there in the first place. and pearl harbor is what was given as the explanation. and pearl harbor was not the invasion of america. the japanese hit pearl harbor so they could continue with their game of expansion in asia. my dad did not go to iwo jima to defend his mother, but went there to stop expansion. and i went to look for the route. when did japan take the first step? what was america's policy? i found in the summer of 1905, roosevelt dispatched the largest delegation to asia in u.s. history. a boat load of congressman and administrations steamed from san francisco to hawaii and japan and back to san francisco. 100 years later to the month, i followed in the wake of this imperial cruise and went where they went and i was shocked by what i found. >> you talk about this imperial cruise. was this teddy roosevelt taking manifest destiny taking it worth west? >> yeah, and all secret. in the summer of 1905, roosevelt won the nobel peace prize for brokering peace between japan and russia. and unknown to congress or the peace prize committee are things in this book that theodore roosevelt agreed to a secret treaty that allowed japan to take korea. why is that significant? they needed korea to start their expansionism. it was theodore roosevelt that appointed it. pearl harbor, they said it was the sneak attack, terrible. that was the second sneak attack, but the first was under the presidency of theodore roosevelt. he said i was well pleased with the japanese victory because the japs are playing our game. what was the game that roosevelt referring to? the game that he thought japan would represent america in say s asia. >> well, interesting how your personal story plays into this. your father is in this photo? >> yeah, my dad is right in the middle. he is the guy that can you see the full silhouette. he is the second from your right. >> of course, that inspired flags of our father, which is just a great -- it's a great book. it turned into a great movie. it's fascinating how you just stumbled across a box of momentos that your dad never talked about, and that has started you on this mission to asia. >> yeah, it started the whole thing. with "flags of our fathers," i write about what my dad did on iwo jima. it was these secret events, kept secret from the congress and the nobel peace prize committee that ignited the events that would sweep my dad from wisconsin out there to a little island. >> amazing. >> james, t.r. has been celebrated and ryou shoot holes into the perception of teddy roosevelt? >> i am a patriotic american, and i went to mt. rushmore and saw theodore roosevelt, and i did not know he was the first public relations president, and i found he put the first tennis courts in the white house. you cannot find any pictures of him with tennis whites, and why? he wrote why, it's not good for the manly image. and he said pictures on horse back, yes, and tennis, no. >> ahead of his time. >> he was out there chopping wood long before ronald reagan. >> so you really think that what teddy roosevelt did at the start of the century in 1905, shaped the entire century and not for the better? >> he lit the fuse. he said to the japanese, america and japan and britain will take over china. he had theories. japan was a declining race. he said the japanese military, i will use on the sly on the secret, and agreed to a secret treatedy that gave korea to japan. he green lighted the problem that my father and a few million other people would have to go out in the pacific and deal with. >> unbelievable. james, thank you so much. >> james, bradley, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. i am a fan. >> thank you, we are, too. can't wait to read this. >> the book is called "the imperial cruise." up next, what if anything, willie, did we learn today? 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>> serena williams tirade cost her a lot. for her it's walking around money. i heard emergency rescue units all over the country now will be armed with golf clubs -- >> oh, please. despite his views, i book donny for radio. jim cramer as well will join us in a hour on the radio. >> i just seriously -- i just -- i don't think that we need to talk about tiger. i don't think that we need to obsess about it. i found out this man, if i get in trouble, this guy this guy right here is the guy to go to. >> addictions. you take it out, and sex addiction, i am going to the clinic in tucson. >> donny deutsch hangs out with a different crowd than and you me. >> reality tv crowd. wrap it up. >> if it's way too early, what time is it? >> "morning joe." but right now it's time for that man, dylan ratigan with the "morning meeting." good morning to you. my name is dylan. what is tiger at fault for? will there be charges and how will it affect his

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