ukraine when it comes to these talks? >> well, most ukrainians we spoke to, they don't have full faith in these talks. they're hoping. they're hoping things will change. but given the fact that there's already been so much destruction, devastation in kyiv, so people are not holding up hopes for any sort of progress. what they are doing is taking a lull in the fighting. some stores are open, groceries. people are trying to stock up, fill up gas, things like that, to prepare for the worst. of course there's definitely a sense of determination here, resilience. people are expecting to get back and protect their homeland again. >> so let's go to moscow with that same thread talking about these talks happening at the belarus border. what are the expectations inside moscow? are they taking these seriously?