national security secretary jeh johnson helene cooper and amy walter. paralympic correspondent for "the new york times." "the n ew york times. johnson >> what have you learned? >> it's a tight rope that republicans are forced to walk and will continue to be forced to walk at least for the conceivable future. there is this theory you can have trump without the trump imp, and whatever comes next will look more like trump in terms of who is the next leader of the party if it is not donald trump. it will look like him more than a mitt romney or a liz cheney. i think that's true. the question is how many times will americans have to go back and pretend that january 6 was not as significant as it was or agree with or have to answer for it was legitimate political discourse, or was this a free and fair election, was this legitimate. that puts the party back firmly,