transpired in georgia when you said you had election officials overruling state officials and saying we'll keep the ballot open to allow universal access and mail-in balloting. at the same time the constitution is clear what that process is. you're afforded a chance to challenge, you're afforded a chance to bring legal challenges, but at the time of the electoral college meeting on december 14th, at that point the process is concluded. that's why the constitution wanted the states the ability to certify elections and not for the federal government. it's very clear, in fact, in the federalist papers. they warned about the threat of a federal government having that sort of authority. >> do you believe joe biden was a legitimately elected president? >> i believe joe biden is duly elected president of the united states, yes. i think there was significant concerns about the process of that election that's going to create a cloud, but i think, chuck, at the same time, to your point, the campaign had opportunities to bring that evidence up on december 14 and didn't.