that. my hope is that vladimir putin will see that and realize the consequences will be devastating for him. by the way, chuck, the other thing that was interesting in being there is that the commitment and the patriotism of the ukranians. i've been at the line of contact. i was there in 2014 after this revolution of dignity. ukranians feel a very strong sense of nationalism, and they're going to fight. >> senator, you're speaking very optimistically about the western alliance. germany hasn't exactly been, let's say, as aggressive as perhaps the rest of the western alliance would be, whether it's on shipping weapons or on dealing with this north stream pipeline. are you confident that if russia invades, germany will be on board, cutting off the nordstrom you canning off the north stream pipeline? >> well, apparently they're saying that privately. they should say it publicly. i'm also, as you know, a little