been able to hind behind row, either you're for it or against it. so in your view, when should abortion be legal or be available? >> in my case when you believe in the sanctity of life, you want abortions to be eliminated from the landscape if you can. you're also in the context of reasonability. the fact is, regardless of any one individual, maybe in the point of view of mine or amy's, you're not going to settle it in a homogenized way. that needs to reflect itself throughout the states -- what everyone's opinion is, whatever you're trying to do politically, why try to do it at the national level? we generally don't do things well here anyway. on something as contentious as this, it seems like it would make common sense, it would be practical, not political, to send it back to the states and let every state do what they want to do and live with it, and if you don't like it, then go to work within those legislatures.