three days ago it went up anothanath $800 billion. you can't keep doing that indefinitely. every household, every governor in the united states as mr. mackintosh knows, has to balance the budget by constitution or necessity and my motto is there's no such thing as government money. there's only taxpayer's money. they've forgotten that in washington and they think it's their money and it's not. >> let me play devil's advocate about the debt. there have been folks like yourself and others talking about if this debt keeps increasing it's going to be a drag on the economy. it hasabon't been a drag yet. why? >> it's going to be a drag not just on the national economy but on the national security because we're effectively relying on other countries to get us out of this terrible deficit position