Rudely talks about not breaking my word, im not going to respond talking about how many times hes broken his word. This morning, the majority and minority leaders of the u. S. Senate will be here live. Is there any room for compromise on the big issues facing the country . Health care, jobs and the economy. Or are the two parties entrenched, awaiting the next election. Majority leader harry reid and Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell weighs off. And the politics of immigration, abortion and the busy and lucrative life of a former cabinet secretary, potential 2016 powerhouse. Announcer from nbc news in washington, the worlds longest running television program, this is meet the press with david gregory. Good sunday morning. A lot of news this sunday morning after deliberating for 16 hours and 20 minutes, not guilty says the jury in the George Zimmerman trial. The trial filled with 12 days of emotional testimony and conflicting versions of what happened the night 16 months ago when Trayvon Martin was shot and killed. For reaction to the verdict, remaining questions, and what it all means, first we want to go live to sanford, florida. Kerry sanders has been covering this case from the very beginning. Kerry, there was concern about negative reaction to this verdict, perhaps spilling into the streets. The good news this morning, people just waking up, it has not been a violent night, is that right . That is correct, peaceful here, peaceful in south florida, where Trayvon Martin was from. I was in the courtroom when the six female jurors entered the courtroom. As they walked in, not one of them looked over towards George Zimmerman sitting at the defense table. He stood up. They sat down. Then as the verdict was actually read in the court by the clerk of the courts, again, not one of those jurors looked over at George Zimmerman. They were then polled by the attorneys as is custom, whether they had a unanimous decision. Then they left. Again, not looking at George Zimmerman. This was a jury of six. Six women. Five of them mothers. Five of them white. One of them described by the prosecutor as either black or hispanic. Two of them gun owners. After they left outside, there was a fair amount of noise outside the courthouse that could not be heard up on the fifth floor. The jurors did not hear that. The rally was primarily those at least those most vocal were those who were disappointed with the outcome, complaining that they felt the system had not delivered a verdict that they wanted. This is a community here of about well, we do the breakdown here. Its 78 white, its 17 hispanic, and 11 black. And the complaints have been since the very beginning here, primarily from the africanamerican community, that the system did not seem to represent them from the very beginning with the Police Department. There have been changes over time. The police chief has been removed. The lead detective who was strongly criticized at the beginning, he remains on the Police Department. He is the one ho had put together an arrest affidavit. Well, they never actually executed that arrest affidavit. He was eventually put back in uniform, working occasionally on the night shift. But hes still here with the Police Department. Looking forward for this community. They now, david, have to continue to see if they can make the community more inclusive. And part of that is waiting for a report from the department of justice, the fbi Civil Rights Division has launched an investigation here to see whether this community can move forward together. All right. Kerry sanders in sanford, florida, for us. Thank you, as always. Joining me, the president and founder of the National Action network and politics nation, reverend al sharpton. The mayor of sanford, florida, is with us. Savannah guthrie, of course, is cohost of the today show and legal correspondent. Welcome to all of you. Reverend sharpton, a banner headline, as the verdict came in. Not guilty with an asterisk, but not innocent. Thats how you view it. Where does it go next . It goes to the justice department. Clearly there are grounds for civil rights charges here. The mother and father of Trayvon Martin and i with their lawyers met with the u. S. Attorney in florida. The day i went down to organize the First National rally there. And we always said there would be a plan b. But there needed to be a plan a. There would never have been protests if there had been an arrest and if the Police Department there did what it was supposed to. You wanted zimmerman to have a fair trial. Thats what you were pushing for before charges were ultimately filed. Was this not a fair trial . The trial happened. The verdict came in. It does not exhaust the Legal Options of this family. And the Bigger Community issues of civil rights. We now have a position on the books, in the state of florida, where an unarmed teenager who committed no crime, can be killed, and the killer can say selfdefense. That is dangerous. That is an atrocity. I think that must be addressed. I think every american ought to be afraid that my child could do nothing wrong, and can be killed and you can use selfdefense, and tell four or five different stories that end up being inconsistent. But you dont you disagree with the verdict, but you dont question it was a fair trial. If you wanted him to have a day in court, that part of the process worked . I question the state law. I question yeah, there could have been some things done differently at trial. But the real object now is to move forward on dealing with the state law and the civil rights. And as we mobilize, as you know Martin Luther king jr. Iii and i marched on washington, on his fathers i have a dream speech, how do we have this country deal with dr. Kings dream 50 years later and you cant walk an innocent child through a neighborhood without the child being harmed, lest known killed. I watched the whole trial. No one can say what Trayvon Martin did wrong. They always get away with it, a gentleman said. Who is they getting away with what . Mayor triplet, down in sanford, the political element to this, going back to the shooting, and Trayvon Martins death, initially president obama weighed in at that particular time. His comments were striking. This is what he said then. My main message is, its to the parents of Trayvon Martin. If i had a son, hed look like trayvon. A and, you know, i think they are right to expect that all of us, as americans, are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and that were going to get to the bottom of exactly what happened. Has that been achieved, mayor . Did we get to the bottom of what happened . We said from day one that we were seeking justice, when the demonstrations came to the city of sanford, that they wanted mr. Zimmerman to sit in front of a jury of his peers. Thats whats taken place. And they have spoken, theyve listened to both sides of it. Weve done a lot within the city of sanford to make it a better place. Through tragedy comes an opportunity is kind of the way were looking at it. Weve set up blue ribbon panels, weve set up community panels, weve set up conversations, walkandtalks with our Police Department and community. Were moving towards a trustful relationship between city hall, the Police Department and our community. Were getting were a better people. But to reverend sharptons point, did Trayvon Martin do anything wrong . Can you address that point and the tension that comes with that in this situation . That was for the prosecution and for the defense to fight out in court. We saw it. We really didnt have a dog in that fight, so to speak. We were our biggest concern was for the safety of the people, the citizens of sanford. Savannah guthrie, the legal part of this is important, because ultimately its the question if there was too much pressure brought to bear by reverend sharpton and others to bring charges that some said amounted to overcharging George Zimmerman. Some people think its an overcharge, that the prosecutors didnt have sufficient evidence for seconddegree murder conviction. The fact of the matter is the jurors were considering the full range of options. They could look at the lesser charge of manslaughter. This came down to not any particularculiarity of florida law. Look, if somebody fears reasonably they are in danger of Great Bodily Injury or harm, its the prosecutions burden basically to disprove selfdefense. This comes down to that concept of reasonable doubt. Its not necessarily that jurors by their verdict are saying, we believe George Zimmerman acted in selfdefense. What theyre saying, we dont believe the prosecutors didnt prove he didnt act in self defense. He met with the u. S. Attorney, there will be pressure to pursue civil rights charges. Weve seen that before in the case of rodney king, and the officers there. Do you think that theres much grounds to move forward there . Well, look, the reason why some people thought seconddegree murder was an overcharge is they didnt think there was sufficient evidence to establish that mental state, depraved mind, spite, ill will. That would be the key element of a hate crime charge. The federal government will look at it. That investigation has been on hold. Whether the department of justice pursues charges, well obviously have to wait and see. Theres still the option of a civil suit by the parents. The standard of proof is a lot less. George zimmerman could be forced to testify and be crossexamined, so you may see a different result there. But thats not an issue where he would go to jail. That would ultimately be an issue whether he had to pay money damage. Thank you all very much. Well continue the discussion. Reverend al, youll stick around. Well switch gears here this morning and talk about politics and the war of words here in washington on the senate floor. Pretty tensionfilled day on friday over republicans using Senate Filibuster rules to block the confirmation of several Obama Administration nominees. Nominees particularly important to organized labor in this country, and particularly important to the administration. The minority leader speaking on friday. What the majority leader has really been saying all along is he wants a confirmation process to be speedy, and for the minority to sit down and shut up. He believes that advise and consent means sit down and shut up. Confirm these nominees. When i tell you to. Were going to hear from the minority leader shortly. But we want to start with the majority leader, harry reid. Leader reid, always good to have you here. Thank you, david. Before we get to the Senate Business and debate there, the zimmerman trial, the verdict. Was justice done here . You spoke out about it after the shooting. David, i am a trial lawyer, have been, over 100 cases to juries. I dont always agree with what the jury does, but thats the system. And i support this system. Now, i may have i may feel differently but i wasnt sitting as a juror or prosecutor or defense attorney. I will accept the verdict and look at the law in florida that is so unusual. The stand your ground law, selfdefense law. I think thats up to the state. I think they should revisit that. Is this a new racial wound that you think needs to be addressed and healed as a result of this, in this country . I heard the mayor. I think it should continue on the path that he outlined. And the president , does he have a role in speaking about it as he did after the shooting . Oh, of course. I think the justice will look at this. This isnt over with. I think thats good. Thats our system. Its gotten better, not worse. Let me switch gears to whats happening in the war of words against you and the minority leader. Theres a lot of minutia about boiling down to whether the Minority Party can and should be able to stop the Majority Party from getting something done. And as we talk about, whats striking to me, leader mcconnell was on this program nearly two years ago. This is what he said about the concept of divided government then. You know, divided government, that is Neither Party controls the entire government, is the perfect time to do big stuff. The. So whats happened . Why hasnt it worked the way he thought it would . Mitch is going to be on a little later. Hes going to defend the status quo. Is there anyone out there in the world, real world that believes whats going on in congress of the United States is good . Our Approval Rating is lower than north koreas. It is really, really difficult. And david, lets talk about what is happening. Were not doing anything that affects hivetime appointments. Were doing nothing that affects legislation. Heres what were doing. A president , whether its president obama, or president clinton, or president bush, they should have who they wanted on their team. The sky is falling. Ive been leader for about the same time Lyndon Johnson was. During the time he was leader, one filibuster. Me, 420. During the time that president obama has been president , hes had 16 filibusters against his nominations. During the entire history of this country, the country, theres only been 20. And changing the rules is like the sky is falling. Weve done it during last year, 18 times. We did it just a year ago. I want everyone to hear this. The changes were making are very, very minimal. What were doing is saying, look, American People, shouldnt president obama have somebody working for him that he wants . The 15 people that we found closer on, that are pending, theyve been waiting an average of nine months. Nine months. Is that good . Do we want to continue that . Were going to make a simple change. What were going to do is say in the future, just like the constitution outlines, the constitutions pretty specific. If you want a super majority vote, look at what the veto is or treaty, but if you want to look at nominations, you know what the Founding Fathers said . A simple majority. Thats not what you said in the past. You wrote in your own book in 2008, over judicial nominees, in 2005, you wrote, in a fit of partisan fury, they were trying to blow up the senate. Senate rules can only be changed by a twothirds vote of the senate, or 67 senators. The republicans were going to do it illegal with a simple majority of 51. Youre saying that hold on, let me finish the question. Youre saying the sky is not falling. When republicans said it, you said it was illegal. But youve answered my question. Were not touching judges. Thats what theyre talking about. This is not judges. This is not legislation. This is allowing the people of america to have a president who can have his team in place. This is nothing like what went on before. Remember whats going on. This president has had 16 executive nominations filibustered. We have now 15 pending, waiting an average of i lost my number there for a second. But theyve been waiting an average of nine months. Nine months. The three that you talk about all the time, korgrave, this liberal that they dont like, you know who he worked for . B boreck. They have nothing against the qualifications. They dont like the jobs these people have. Qualifications, consumer protected against wall street. We have the secretary of labor. They dont like that created during the depression. They dont like that. Because this man, perez, who has worked so hard, he was a garbage man during the time he was going through school, perez, you see, wants to be secretary of labor. Hes been waiting for months and months. Finally, two members of the National Labor relations board. What does this do . It protects American Workers from the abuse of the employers. Theyve been waiting two years. How do you like that one . And were making big changes . All were doing is doing what the constitution says. Appoint these people by the president and let us approve them with a simple majority. And its whether were going to get immigration reform. It now moves to the house. Do you see this being acted on by the house or dying a slow death . David, legislations been hard to come by, because of the obstruction of the republicans. Im very happy, and we were so fortunate as a country that one big issue, weve had eight very wise senators, four republicans four democrats, Work Together to come up with a bill. You know, my friend, the republican leader on here, said we have been able to do the farm bill. We did immigration, as if we should be celebrating. It used to be we did big legislation all the time. But im asking you in this case, will the house act . Yes, they will act. They have to. This is something that the vast, vast majority of the republicans, democrats, and independents support. And john boehner should let the house vote. Thats all he has to do. If the house voted it was passed but the specific complaint by house conservatives, rich lowry will be on the program a little later in the National Review on tuesday. They write about the senate bill. The fatal deficiency is it doesnt solve the ilLegal Immigration problem. The enforcement provisions, there are loopholes, waivers. Every indication is they are for show and will be disregarded, just as Prior National requirements to build a fence or entry exit visa have been. President obama announced hes ignoring aspects of obamacare. Why wont he waive a requirement for the use ofe verify in the workplace as he unilaterally delayed the program . There are so many different questions, but ill try to answer. First of all, obamacare, whatever comes up, the republicans throw that in. You realize theyve voted to repeal it 40 times. Whats happened 40 times, of course, its failed. Obamacare has been wonderful for america. 6 million seniors have wellness checks now. 3. 1 million young people are now having insurance. Insurers cant rip off people anymore. Thats why millions of people got refunds last year. Youre covered. They should just get real and understand this is a law thats important. And they need to work with us to improve it. The narrow question, the specific charge on immigration, though . Immigration . We have the chamber of commerce, conservative groups all over america are running ads telling republicans, vote for this. This is a good bill. It gives us security on our border, and it gives people who are here a pathway to citizenship. And david, finally, it saves the country 1 trillion. Its good for the economy. Not 1 billion. Not 1 million. 1 trillion. This could work out in the midterm race. Voting to ban abortion after 20 weeks. Is it reasonable for it to come up in the United States senate . Youve described yourself as prolife in the past. Is it not reasonable to put some restrictions on lateterm abortion as were seeing in the states . David, we had a transportation Infrastructure Construction development bill. So important. That it was agreed upon, chairman boxer, Ranking Member anhof. One of the most liberal, one of the most conservative. Do you know what happened when that came to the floor . It was filibustered. Because they wanted women to have con tro accept tifs. So they can offer amendments. Its the senate. Im asking about the subsidies, is it reasonable or unreasonable . I think we should deal with the problems that affect this country. We need to do something to help the american working class. And stop worrying about fringe issues. Is it unreasonable to put restrictions on abortion after 20 weeks . Im happy to take a look at this. I repeat, lets do things that the vast majority of American People think we should deal with. Leader harry reid, thank you very much. More to come on all of these things. Appreciate you being here. The leading republican in the senate, Mitch Mcconnell in kentucky, senator, welcome back to you. Having a difficult time hearing you. Well try to establish that. Let me get my first question in. Your reaction to hearing your colleague say, look, this is different. Changing the rules here is not like its been in the past with regard to judicial nominations. It is appropriate for the majority to be able to get the work done at once. Yeah, the reason we call it the Nuclear Option, david, is because its breaking the rules of the senate in order to change the rules of the senate which the majority leader as you pointed out in his book indicated was something we should never do. Rather than getting down in the weeds on the rules, what is the problem here . The president has had 1,540 of his nominations confirmed. Only four defeated. Hes not lost a Single Member of the cabinet. Hes getting them faster than president bush was, at the same time in his second term. The majority leader needs to bring these nominees up. Most of them are going to be confirmed. It really kind of comes down to three appointments that the federal courts have told us were unconstitutionally recess appointed. Two members of the nlrb and cfpb. We need to talk about that. And were going to talk about it at a rather unusual joint session in the Old Senate Chamber on monday, of all senators. We need to Start Talking to each other, instead of at each other. And see if we cant resolve this in the same way that we did ten years ago when republicans had genuine provocation. We had had five president bushs Circuit Court nominees defeated by filibuster. Here no ones been defeated, theyve all been confirmed. Thats why were wondering why the majority leader is thinking about the Nuclear Trigger when all the president s nominations are being confirmed. Just as there are past statements that senator reid made that, speak to sort of the folly of washington in a lot of peoples minds, back in march of 2005 on cnbc advocating for the things hes talking about now. Heres what you said. They changed 200 years of history during which we had never killed executive Branch Nominations by use of the filibuster. They introduced that. Its a terrible precedent. The senate can, with 51 votes, not 60, reverse that precedent. And i believe that its time to do that. I believe we will go forward with that at a time of the majority leaders calling. So you were for it then, you think its outrageous now . Look, im glad we didnt do it. The provocation was that five Circuit Court nominations had been defeated with a filibuster for the first time in the american history. The democrats invented that. We went to the brink and we pulled back, because cooler heads prevailed. We knew it would be a mistake for the longterm future of the senate and the country. Thats what i hope is going to happen here, david. We have an opportunity to pull back from the brink, in this joint meeting were going to have of all senators in the Old Senate Chamber monday night. I hope well come to our senses and not change the core of the senate. We have never changed the rules of the senate by breaking the rules of the senate in order to diminish the voices of individual senators. Weve never done that. We sure shouldnt start it now. Particularly since every one of the president s nominees that would be subject to this rule change have been confirmed. Do you really believe that your old friend and colleague harry reid is the worst Senate Leader ever if he goes forward with this . No, he wont be if he pulls back from the brink like we did ten years ago. We had much more serious provocation than he has now. Hes a reasonable man. Hes a good majority leader. Were going to have a chance to air all of this out in a giant conference with all of our members monday. Im hoping we wont make this big mistake. Secretary napolitano of Homeland Security is now stepping down. Do you now see a nomination fight over a key security post, secretary of Homeland Security depending on who the president puts forward, particularly with the immigration debait a key component of what the secretary of Homeland Security does . In your line of work you tend to use the word fight when were having a debate. Some of the president s nominees have been quite controversial. Thats what we do in the senate. We have big debates over big issues. Theyve all been confirmed. Well take a look at whoever the next secretary of Homeland Security is. Weve got over 300 Million People in this country. We dont all agree on everything. They elect all of us to come to washington and we have some big disagreements and big debates. Sooner or later when it comes to nominations, as i indicated, the president hasnt lost anybody. He hasnt lost anybody. Are this esaying they dont want us to even debate these nominations . Theyre getting them more rapidly than president bush got his. Thats why were wondering why this threat to blow the senate up, when the president s getting his nominees. On the issue of immigration, which i just referred to a moment ago, how important is it to you, to act this year, to get some kind of reform . Well, i hope we can. As you know, david, im the proud husband of an immigrant. A young girl came here at age 8 not speaking a word of english. In fact e her parents didnt have enough money for a plane ticket. They came over on a freighter with the freight. My wife, elaine chow, became the secretary of labor and was in president bushs cabinet. Look, im a big fan of what Legal Immigration has done for our country. I hope, even though the senate bill in my view is deficient on the issue of Border Security, i hope we can get an outcome for the country that improves the current situation. I dont think anybodys satisfied with the status quo on immigration. I hope the house will be able to move forward on something and we can get this into conference and get an outcome thats satisfactory to the American People. How do you deal with 11 or 12 Million Immigrants in this country now without a pathway to citizenship . Is that dead on arrival . I think the stickiest issue actually is Border Security. The question is, can we actually get the border secured and not have this happen again. Thats the stickiest issue. I think the house will concentrate on that. I hope they will. We need to seriously beef up the Border Security part. I think thats the key to getting a final outcome. I want to talk about obamacare and the implications that is, of course, controversial. As theyve tried to publicize this law, and get people familiar with what is possible as theyre setting up exchanges around the country, this was a letter that you wrote to the nfl commissioner, one of the leagues that were going to help in publicizing this. You said, given the divisiveness and persistent unpopularity of this bill, its difficult to understand why an organization like yours would risk damaging its inclusive and apolitical brand by lending its name to the promotion. It was striking how political it was, that letter you wrote to them. You refer to it as a bill. Its actually the law of the land, which is even affirmed by the supreme court. How can you write such a letter at a time when, dont you feel the need for people to understand what the new law is . Well, the president himself seems to not think parts of the law ought to be implemented. He selectively is delaying parts of it as if its all kind of a smorgasbord of options for him to figure out, you know, which ones to execute, and which part of the law not to execute. Delay is not for example, they just decided to say, never mind, on the employer mandate. What about the individual mandate . Does the president get to decide which parts of the law to comply with . And which parts not . Its a massive, complicated, unpopular bill. Obviously if we had the votes, we would repeal it. Leader, its not a bill. You support the democratic process. This is not a bill. Its the law. Its the law of the land. If the shoe were on the other foot and it was a law that was passed by republicans in congress, would you not refer to it as the law of the land and want to see it implemented as best it could be . Despite the fact you disagree with it . Of course its the law of the land. I wonder why the president himself is delaying various parts of it. He, you could argue, is not executing or implementing the law that he thinks is such a wonderful thing for the country. This is a big controversial issue. Its not going away. Its in all likelihood going to be the premier issue in the 2014 election. The American People dislike it even more now than they did when it was passed. And they hope that the congress will respond to their desire to stop this train wreck before it happens. Final point here. Another divisive issue, and that is a potential part of the republican agenda this year. That is tax reform. Are you for tax reform, or might you support some in the Republican Caucus and others calling for abolishment, to get rid of the Internal Revenue service . What i would like to see is the same kind of premise that Ronald Reagan and tip oneill, a republican and democrat had back in the 80s, and the prem iise this. The government doesnt gain revenue for itself, its for flattening out the tax rate, making our country more competitive. If we can agree in advance that the exercise will be conducted within those parameters, that is not a tax increase for the federal government, then i think it would be a very good thing for our country to do comprehensive tax reform, lower the rates, and make america more competitive in the global economy. 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Joining me now former governor of mu next could, bill richardson. Editor of National Review, rich lowry, president and founder of the politics nation reverend al sharpton. And msnbc contributor steve schmidt. Welcome to all of you. Wow. So much to get to. Steve schmidt, washington dysfunction. Again, you can talk about the rule of change and all the minut minutia, what are we seeing here . One of the fascinating aspects of it is the fact when leader mcconnell was in the majority, of course, his view was completely different, as was leader reids. These are complicated issues. The dysfunction you saw play out this morning is why the senate, why the congress has such a low Approval Rating with the American People who view this as an institution, almost completely removed from dealing with anything thats relevant to their actual lives. Mcconnell making a point in saying, what are they so upset about . The president s gotten most of what hes wanted. These are particular nominations that the that legally we have a right to challenge. We also know its ideological as well. I think what people are concerned about is there are a number of agencies, not just the ones that Mitch Mcconnell, senator mcconnell was talking about, cpa, Consumer Financial production board, department of labor. Its a range. Nlrb. A range of agencies that protects consumers against large special interests. I think the issue here is really that the congress is really unpopular because its not dealing with the countrys problems. I think people really want a functioning senate. If it cant function, even though past immigration reform, we see another area where we get nothing done and it gets to the issue of immigration, rich, as i referenced to reid. Is it going to be killed in the house . Will it die a slow death . Will they do nothing . Its definitely in trouble in the house. I wouldnt say its dead, because there are still powerful interests in the Republican Party that want this to happen. President bush didnt approve the particularities of it, but certainly wants something done. I think the senate bill is fundamentally flawed. If you believe the cbo analysis and believe there are optimistic functions that the bill happened the way its written, which never happens, depending on your estimates well have 6, 7, 8 million more illegal aliens here in ten years. This bill fails on its own terms. It fails on the terms marco rubio set out on it. He said, i dont want to have to deal with this problem again. He will have to deal with this problem again if his own bill passes. If the senate wants to pass them, great. We have bipartisan consensus. If not, wait until after 2014. Western border governor formerly, how do you respond . I think the bill is in trouble. I regret it. Because i think the true conservative position on immigration reform, heres legislation that improves the gross domestic product. It reduces the deficit. It creates jobs. More Social Security rolls. Its a path to legalization that takes 13 years. Theres a lot of steps that need to be taken. Employer sanctions. I was a border governor, ilLegal Immigration has gone down. Its gone down. The border fence that has been created, its not going to do much. But if it gets some republican votes, it makes sense. My view is the congress is totally dysfunctional. Its not just immigration. Its the farm bill. Its nominations. Its the National Labor relation board. Consumer bills. The farm bill, an example. No food stamps for poor people. And what we have is subsidies for the big farmers. I hope theres a filibuster change. I think the Nuclear Option needs to be exercised. Even though i served 15 years in the house for this, i dont go for this. I i think the American People want change. And a real change could happen, if theres filibuster reform. There could be a stop ablg to some of these huge blockages of major on immigration, according to the cbo, unemployment will be higher when it still passes between 2014 and look it up. No. Wages will be lower until 2024. Read the cbo. But increasing jobs of 122,000. For someone whos advocated for deficit reduction, here we have 800 billion of debt service reduction. Here youre saying, no, we cant take it. One of the beyond this particular issue is richs other point which is, youre going to have to come back and deal with the fact you have significant numbers of Illegal Immigrants here. Youll have to address this again. Is that whats motivating conservatives, or pure politics not wanting new democratic voters coming into the country . I think the bill is in trouble. I think that is part of the motivation for conservatives, the notion that it doesnt fix the Security Problems on the border. But what we have today is a de facto amnesty in this country. We have an utterly broken immigration system in the senate bill, it does a lot to move this country towards a sane immigration policy. What the house should do is pass a version of this legislation that can be conferenced together, and the country can take a step forward in fixing this problem. Which is an enormous one. We have a permanent underclass that lives in the shadows in this country. And we ought to fix it. And this has always been premised on the notion that there is a path to legalization, and then there is a final, at the end of the day, solution for the Border Security issue, that we are able to secure the border. And this bill does in fact make great progress in the securing of the border. Reverend al, your comments . I think we can have different opinions. I think clearly it reduces the deficit, this bill. I think that clearly it creates jobs. And i think that it is very conservative for many of us that have been in the immigration movement. And have said, lets be fair. I dont know how more fair you can be to think 13 years to make people natural citizens. The dysfunction of this congress around this, and around blocking appointments, and taking food stamps out of the farm bill, i mean, its any wonder the public has any respect for them at all. Final point on this, rich, before a break. The structure of this bill is exactly the same of 1996, oh, youll get the amnesty first and all this enforcement off in the future. It never happened. If you want to cut the deficit, there are other ways to do it. The cbo said theres no deficit reduction the first ten years. Look it up, governor. Thank you very much. The tea party, theres a political side to this. And heres the most politicians. The Republican Party is going to become a Minority Party. Maybe all of those twoparty republicans in the house will keep their seats. But youre going to continue to lose president ial elections. Youre going to lose the hispanic voter even more than you did in the last election. And its political suicide what youre doing. What happened after the did the republicans share the latino vote go up with president reagan . Yes, it did. George h. W. It went down. Issues change. This is a gateway. Senator mccain said, this is a gateway issue for latino votes. Well come back and talk a little bit more about the political reaction to the zimmerman verdict. Ings. And right now weve got everything you need for a great summer. This 5piece dining set on clearance, save over 49 marco polo and these op swim separates, on rollback you save over 20 . This nook hds on rollback. You save 40. Great for summer reading. Coolers on rollback. Sunscreen on rollback. And these towels on rollback. So soft. Get more summer for your money at walmarts Super Summer Savings event going on right now at your local walmart. I dont miss out. 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The judge hated one of the defense attorneys, if you saw the way she treated him. Initially, when this case came to national prominence, i thought it was wrong he wasnt charged. I thought it was right for people to draw attention to the case for that reason. But the more we learned in the trial, the more clear it was that the police judgment initially was probably correct, and that this was a case of selfdefense. And certainly, it was always absurd to compare this case to emmitt till or crucifixion of jesus christ. That was putting way too much social and political baggage on what was a terrible tragedy. I dont think anyone compared it to the crucifixion of jesus chri christ. I think we compared the reaction to the fact that these police made no arrest. We would never have known, if the country hadnt watched this trial, clearly the police should have made an arrest. The story told to the police we found to be inconsistent. Some of it outright lies at trial. Just because the jury said he wasnt guilty does not mean he was innocent, and that they should not have tried him. It has nothing to do with civil rights charges. You have to remember, the state said this has nothing to do with race. Race was not in this trial. Which means it can be tried by the feds to see if bias was involved. It clearly stated were not talking about race in this trial. Well, the civil rights case of the federal government would be around whether race was involved. Governor richardson, we played it earlier in the program, the president talking in such personal ways of Trayvon Martin. If i had a son, he would look like Trayvon Martin. What are the ramifications of this verdict . I believe there are racial wounds to be healed. I was disappointed in the verdict. It seemed like a sound, legal process, although the standards seemed very high for the prosecutors. But i worry about the aftermath. I worry about all those young black kids out there that see a system of justice that maybe doesnt respond to them. I think a National Dialogue is needed. I think the reverend is right. Theres a legal process, too. But a conversation is needed, because theres a lot of simmering resentment over this trial. Obviously, we didnt see any big demonstrations, but its out there. And we should talk about these things. Because, you know, heres a young, unarmed 17yearold whos shot. All right. The system of justice, we respect it. But that doesnt mean we dont have a dialogue. Mayor, i want to switch slightly to a couple of political notes. Some of the gun laws that work here in florida could be fodder for what happens in the legislature for 2014. Also abortion. We were speaking about it on the break. Were you struck by leader reid saying he would take a look at lateterm abortion bans in the senate . We heard Marco Rubio Might advance that legislation . Look, i think if the sufficient senate wants to take on this issue, you know, anyone who wants to take on this issue i think is going to motivate progressives and liberals. These laws are really just efforts to undermine abortion by another name. Whats surprising about these debates is how much its energizing women across the country. Ill remind my conservative friends that we did see a giant latino gap. A huge vote in favor of the president. We also saw a historic gender gap. I think on a range of issues, the Republican Party is moving out of step with the Rising Coalition of women, latinos and others, and this will help seal the deal. Prominent woman as Hillary Clinton, in the news this week for the lucrative deal she signed with regard to speaking around the country. Might she like the private sector more than running for president . Or can she resist the platform reach the grass roots . She has 30 years of history of talking on a range of issues. And i can ensure people are fas fated by her substantive conversations on these issues. I think this will be a great opportunity for her to get her views out to people around the country. Your view of where Hillary Clinton stands now . A formidable candidate for the nomination. Its tough to see who in the Democratic Party beats her. Shes also someone who has no illusions about what its like to run for president. Shes been around it for a long time. It may be as she goes thinks about this very brutal process, that lies ahead, if she does it again, maybe she doesnt want to do it. Well have to wait and sglee well leave it there. Well take a break and be back in just a moment. [ female announcer ] made just a little sweeter. Because all these whole grains arent healthy unless you actually eat them multigrain cheerios. Also available in delicious peanut butter. Healthy never tasted so sweet. Also available in i missed a payment. Tter. Aw, shoot. Shoot this is bad. 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