They are more than happy to see the government shut down. If you had had a state representative say that Affordable Health care is worse than the law that lets slave owners get their hundred republican away slaves back. Of course there are death panels in there. Im quoting here. We have to repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children. Ended up with mom and dad fighting. I dont think ever have we had a 21hour filibuster. You put five red necks on a mower. And then the person voted for the issue they were filibustering. Radicals in the house and senate. The 80s called and they want their Health Policy back. I dont know that they even know. Im sorry, but is it just doesnt work that way. All of this would be funny if it wasnt so crazy. The chills that you spill on my back can be filled with satisfaction when were done satisfaction on whats to come i couldnt ask for another good afternoon, the countdown is on and we are teeing up for the thrillseeking risktaking weekend. The operation of the government rests on their necks move. And what do you think theyre going to do first . Well, with just four days to a possible shutdown, the Democraticcontrolled Senate this afternoon passed a bill to fund the government through november the 15th. And leave the president S Health Care law intact. That leaves the ball squarely in Speaker Boehners court and the president had a clear message for his Top Republican rival, just seconds ago. The House Republicans are so concerned with appeasing the tea party, they have threatened a government shutdown, or worse, unless i gut or repeal the Affordable Care act. I said this yesterday. Let me repeat it. Thats not going to happen. House leaders have called a meeting saturday at noon to discuss a way forward out of the chaos they have created on the continuing resolution. But first, with the ability to avert economic havoc squarely in their hands, guess whats on tonights schedule . A trip to the movies, of course. Majority whip Kevin Mccarthy is inviting lawmakers for a field trip tonight, to see the thri thriller prisoners at a local theater. The film may seem a little odd, but listen to go majority leader harry reid today, it makes perfect sense. They have taken the United States government hostage and demanded an impossible ransom. The democrats repeal the law of this land known as obamacare. Together well send a message to radical republicans that we will not allow the law of the land to be used as a hostage. Senator reed called todays vote, quote, the first step in resting control from the extremists. Of course, mr. Cruise control himself doesnt want to let that happen. Lord, no. When the house stands up and does the right thing, i think it will present a terrific opportunity for every Senate Republican to stand arm in arm with the House Republicans. And then critically, i think it will also present an opportunity for senate democrats. Senate democrats this time around didnt listen to the American People. And i suspect my next guest may have something to say about that. Joining us is democratic senator Barbara Boxer of california. She joins us live. Good afternoon, maam. Hello, martin. Youve just heard the president. He used analogies, like threatening to burn down the world economy. Threatening to burn the house down of america. He said that this is not a concession to me. Its not doing me a favor, speaking of this absurd idea to hold the nations credit debt ceiling, as it were, hostage to their proposal to defund the Affordable Care act. And so what was your reaction to the president . Listen. When the president uses those kind of words, you know that he really believes this is very, very serious. This is a man who has reached out from day one to the republicans, and hes been rebuffed. And, you know, you get to the point where we have two major responsibilities here. Forget about, you know, passing new laws and new programs. We have to keep the government going. We have to make sure this government of the greatest nation on earth keeps going. We have to make sure the second thing is, to pay our bills. And these new this new breed of the Republican Party its not the grand old party that i knew. This formerly grand old party is playing games, dangerous games with america. And i do want to say that if Speaker Boehner were to take the bill that passed the United States senate today, which is a clean, continuing resolution and continues government, steers clear of any type of controversy, if he would put it on the floor, and if he did what tip oneill used to do, which is count to 218 and pass it, he would get the votes. He is instead acting like hes just speaker of the republicans, not speaker of the house. So what do you say to senator ted cruz, who picks up his salary of 200,000 odd dollars a year, but is very happy to see members of the army, members of the navy, members of the air force, federal employees, hes happy to see their paychecks be delayed and threatened. And yet he is happy to grandstand for 21 hours in the way that he did over the last two days. Martin, i took to the floor today, and i actually did address my colleague, senator cruz. And i asked, why doesnt he come on my bill, s55, which would stop us from getting our pay if theres a shutdown or a default . So i said, you stood for 21 hours inflicting ready to inflict pain on Social Security recipients, medicare recipients, all of our communities who wont have the benefit of the full the full group of fbi agents that we need in this dangerous world and so on and so forth, members of the military. And i asked rhetorically for him to call me and get on my bill. I hope he will. But thats just onel and example. But seriously, if you look at the Affordable Care act, which they call obamacare, you can call it whatever you want. For me, its the most important reform since medicare. And you see what its already doing. 3 million young people on their parents policies. Kids with preexisting conditions like asthma finally being able to get coverage so they dont have to be rushed to the emergency room. And refunds. And immunizations that are free and checkups. And the closing of that infamous doughnut hole on medicaid recipients. These are already reforms that are in place today, and they want to take it away from people. But senator, what is driving when you put those facts to us, what is driving this opposition . Because this is a law that was voted through, both houses, that was affirmed by the supreme court. That the president who led this law on was reelected, just in november. And yet they choose to oppose this at every possible way they can. What is behind this . Because it doesnt seem to me as though this is anything other than a personal attack on this particular president. And it seems to me that he understands it in exactly the same way. Why else would he say just now, this is not a concession to me. Its not a favor to me. He recognizes that their animus and their hatred for this reform is actually trumped by their hatred for him as an individual. Well, martin, i think there is no question about it, that there is an animosity here that ive never, never, never seen. And a lack of acceptance of this election. Which was so clear. And it was a very big victory for the president. They wont accept it. So in many ways, they are really not accepting democracy. 42 times they voted to repeal obamacare. Its not going to happen. But then i think, martin, its also worth looking back in history at what republicans said about medicare. And even more and when it went into effect in the 60s and even as late as the 90s how they feel about health care reform, newt gingrich, medicare will wither on the vine. And bob dole bragging that he said medicare would be terrible. And if you go back to Social Security in the 30s, what happened and was stated then, and the move by george w. Bush to privatize it and paul ryan and so on. So i think its two things. I definitely think youre right. They will not accept the results of this election. They want to hurt this president , which is its just unbelievable, after this president has taken us out of the worst recession since the great depression, and now leading us toward a more peaceful world. I mean, it just i think when history is written, its too soon to know. He will be viewed very, very favorably. But they also they also dont like these benefits, and they historically fought against them. Of course. To that point you just made, senator, the president talked in his phone call about the phone call with the iranian president president. He said the two discussed ongoing efforts to reach an agreement over Irans Nuclear program. He even mentioned that the ayatollah has issued a fatuwa against the development of any kind of nuclear weapon. It seems remarkable that the president of the United States should report such a significant breakthrough. The most important in relations between this country and iran since 1979, and then what does he have to do but pick up the shambles, the chaos, the havoc, thats being wrought by republicans. This ought to be a day when we are reflecting on some major improvements. You know, these of course we treat all of this with a certain level of trepidation. But we ought to be celebrating this. We oughtant be sitting here talking about closing the naths down on tuesday. Really . Thats a self inflicted wound that the republicans appear ready to do. I do want to say to you that there were a group of republicans in the senate who did help us get to the place that we are now. And i want to thank them publicly. I did honor the floor, as well. We have a group of grownups in the senate who helped us get that clean, continuing resolution through. But when you look at the house, it is chaos. It is anarchy. Its very dangerous. And as nancy pelosi said, theyre playing with fire over there. And yes, we have an amazing breakthrough. Of course, we have to be very, very careful when it comes to iran and what they say. What matters is, what they do. But definitely, this is a moment of major import in the world today, as well as whats happening with the syria weapons and the u. N. Resolution. I sit on the Foreign Relations committee. Listen, i voted to say, be tough with the syrians unless they did this so i feel really good about it. And youre absolutely right. What should be a day where we are sitting back and saying maybe, please, we are getting to a better place in world peace that we have to worry about these. If i could just say pretty immatu immature folks over there taking their teddy bear and blankie and saying if i dont get my way ill just bring the government down. And, by the way, ill get my pay as i as i do this to the people. Of course. Its awful. Senator Barbara Boxer, thank you so much for joining us on this important afternoon. Thank you. Thanks. 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That was the president moments ago, urging congress to act more responsibly in the name of their constituents. Lets get right to our panel. Joining us from washington is msnbc political analyst, professor michael eric dyson. And msnbc contributor, jared bernste bernstein, who is, of course, from the center on budget and policy priorities. And former adviser to the vice president. Jared, if i might begin with you, did it not strike you that when the president was speaking, it was obvious that he had learned a hard lesson from 2011 when he involved himself in a negotiation with Speaker Boehner that went nowhere, and when republicans caused the Credit Rating of this nation to be downgraded, the aggression in his voice today seemed to me to suggest that he has had it. That these kind of discussions are so selfinjurious to the american economy, hes not even prepared to have a conversation about it anymore. Yes, i heard that as well. And i thought it was extremely important. Because if the president or any president were to negotiate with republicans or, for that matter, i thought the president made a good example when he turn it around the other way. You could be negotiating with a future group of renegade democrats. If you engage in that type of negotiation, you are essentially training the congress to create these hostage situations every chance they get. And because of the way the debt ceiling and the budget works out, as you see, they get a lot of chances. You can argue that the president made a mistake by beginning that training back in 2011. And i think theres an argument there. But then at least they were on a similar page. They both wanted to do something about the budget deficit. Now, of course, with the focus on gutting the law of the land, obamacare, its very different. But it is essential that the president sticks to his words today. And im sure he will, by the way. I believe his spine is extremely stiffened on this and not negotiate with these folks on these issues. I think i agree. Professor die son, with you might think this is a democrat versus republican fight. But actually, this is a grand old parade of disfunction, of basic chaos within the Republican Party, isnt it . No question about it. And think about it, martin. Look at the context and the backdrop. The president today announces he speaks to one of the heads of iran. That we have not spoken to in some 27odd years, and yet he cant negotiate in fair in good faith with the leader of the opposing party within america. Who is the real terrorist here . The refusal to negotiate with terrorists is a good stand for the president. I mean, a retore california terrorist, manipulating the interests of their own party against the greater interests of the commonwealth here. So the president has to have a stiffened spine, as mr. Bernstein has indicated. And also, hes got to understand that the people of the United States of america are squarely behind him, and the republicans are self emulating, self destructing before our eyes in their refusal to even acknowledge that is a sign of not only dysfunction, but a kind of political pathology that is diply rooted. And to professor diesons point, jared, republicans have spent the past two years crying about the deficit. You know about the deficit better than anybody. The president said, the deficit has been going down faster than in any point in 60 years. But we know the deficit is no longer an issue for republicans. The deficit is what happens on tuesday when people can get Affordable Health care. Look, the deficit is falling actually too quickly, from my perspective. That is, the fact that the fiscal policy is kind of a headwind against the underlying economy right now is one of the reasons the recovery is weaker than it should be. That said, of course the president is absolutely correct and the republicans well know that they dont have that issue front and center as they did. So what have they done . They have lit out against obamacare. And, by the way, i think the whole attack on obamacare is, in part, an ideological attack on government. But its also just a decision they made. And when i say they, im not necessarily talking about the moderate republicans, which still exist. There were 25 who voted for cloture in the senate today. Im talking about a small group of a democrat an increasingly demographically underrepresented minority. Which is the 80 members of the tea party that are essentially behind all of this. And because of the fear of being primaried, all of the moderate republicans are going along with them, including thus far john boehner. Indeed. Im so sorry we dont have more time. 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Well, martin, truth is, i actually have a different perspective. In fact, i agree with senator baucus, who said this thing could be a train wreck. Now, look, if i see a train wreck coming down the track, why wouldnt i do everything i possibly could to prevent that wreck from happening . So you would so are you saying, sir, you believe we should refuse to fund the government, that you pick up your paycheck, but soldiers in afghanistan dont. That you pick up your paycheck and federal employees serving this nation throughout the country sir the United States house of representatives a week ago passed a bill to fund every aspect of the federal government well into the month of december, but did not put anymore money toward what appears to be a failing proposition in the Affordable Care act. That was a responsible i think that was a responsible bill. I wish that senator reid had paid more attention to it. Now they have countered today i dont know why it took them a week to come up with a counter, but they countered today. Ill be at my desk tomorrow working. The rules committee will meet to consider a rule for their appropriations for the next fiscal year saturday or sunday. I fail to see how the senates not accepting of the houses position is somehow more honorable than the house not accepting the senates position. It is our obligation to work these things back and forth. After all, thats why were all duly elected. Yeah, thats true. But you know, sir, that if truth be told, if nothing is resolved, then the government shuts down next week. Now, i know that the Republican House has wanted to attach a christmas list of about 40 other things to any kind of it continuing resolution. And thats actually not true. That was there is a debt limit discussion that went on yesterday that was probably more resembled what youre discussing. Yes, indeed. But what is front of us now is the appropriations lapse that would occur at midnight on september 30th. And, look, i dont disagree everybody knew this was coming. I have been arguing for some time, that look, we know whats just around the corner. The end of the fiscal year happens, the next day the exchanges are supposed to open up in the Affordable Care act. People refuse to answer questions, even the most basic questions about what this thing will look like on october 1st. The American People get that. You dont throw good money after bad. Thats what people in my district are telling me. I feel the same way. I am not add ots with the people in north texas. I understand, sir, what youre saying. But would it not be more appropriate, given the legislative success and the supreme courts affirmation of the law, and the fact that this president was lengelected twice would it not be more sensible to at least allow the act to have its way, to take place, to allow the American People to taste and see if the law is good or bad . And that point, the evidence will i dont know why youre laughing, sir. But the well the implication from someone like your colleague, michele bachmann, is that this law is literally killing people. Im trying to answer your question, martin. There is a school of thought that says, yeah, this is so bad its going collapse under its weight. Let the Cookie Crumble and let the democrats own the whole thing. The problem is, i see a train wreck coming. I believe i am obligated to try to prevent that train wreck from happening, or at least minimize the damage to the people surrounding it. Now, you are correct to point out the things youve said. But remember, back in 1988, dan ross ten could you ski, chairman of the ways and Means Committee here in the United States house of representatives passed what he called a catastrophic care bill. He was very proud of that bill. He went home and his people revolted. They stormed him out of a town hall meeting. He came back to washington the next session of congress, that january, and repealed his own bill. Now, president reagan had signed the first one, president bush signed the repeal, because there was a change in presidency along the way. But its exactly the situation youre describing. Sir you sound to me as though youre describing your friend senator ted cruz. And the fer agoo we have just seen there. Theres no relationship between this and ted cruz. There are plenty of people who do feel this thing is so bad, get out of the way and just let it collapse. But i am sorry, i cant do that. My training as a physician tells me i see something bad happening, ive got to use everything available at my disposal to try to prevent it from happening. Its really as simple as that. Well, im sure it is. And i wish you all the best this weekend. And lets hope that youre not responsible for bringing the government down to a shutdown. Congressman Michael Burgess, thank you. Stay with us. What might be for some republicans, the dirtiest word of all. Consider yourself warned. You better understand that youre alone from the eternal flame to endless bloviating, here are todays top lines. Goodness, gracious. Well, senator cruz ted cruz, have you seen this guy . He said i will do everything and anything to dephubbed obamacare. Really . How about lighting yourself on fire . So we had to take a special jeep up to the main road. We, the men of the mind, we are on strike against self emulation. The only one we had break down in a bad accident. Goodness, gracious, the suffering people have gone through. I could go on for hours, but i would probably start to bore you. Im a good soldier. I salute. Really couldnt blame elaine for wanting a career. Bottom line is simple. Why some people are mad at ted cruz. Senator cruz has actually advanced our cause. Was the problem, i think, with this current plan. They made it too easy under the democrats to say thats unacceptable. If you talk to somebody who said i dont know, i was watching fox news and they said it was horrible. One of the scary things about obamacare, the Affordable Care act over the last few weeks, the rhetoric has just been cranked up. Except the nazis to a place i have never seen before. You cannot defeat the germans. Was it honorable when the germans bombed pearl harbor you had a state representative somewhere say that its as destructive to personal and individual liberty. As a fugitive slave act of 1850. Heres one more that ive heard. I like this one. We have to, and im quoting here. We have to repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children. I just want to point out, we still have women. We still have children. Lets repeal it now while we can. You dont need to listen to the politicians. You dont need to listen to me. Just go check it out for yourself. Make up your own mind. Lets get right to our panel, joining us now here in new york is mckay cop ins of buzz feed and josh barrow of business insider. And cycle co host from a secure undisclosed location. You reported in buzz feed, the Republican Partys class is rolling its eyes at ted cruzs attempt to keep the Affordable Care act from going into effect . Is that true . I thought this was a fund raising exercise and the money was rolling in . There was a lot of money from activists, the core constituency for ted cruz. Tea partiers loved this. But longterm as one of our sources said, if you want to seriously run for president , you need the serious money from the serious people and the serious people are the ones who read the wall street journal who think that ted cruz is basically a joke. A kamikaze pilot. Josh, what is it . Please help me understand this, josh. What is it about the Affordable Care act that makes elected representatives want to threaten the stability of the nation and the Global Economy . Well, its been this snowballing thing. They spent the last two election cycles building their campaign about how terrible this thing is. And first of all, started to believe the rhetoric, even though before the Affordable Care act they wrote the rhetoric. Yes. They believe their own mythologies. You keep saying something over and over again, you believe its true. And they made the base believe its true. So if oh, by the way, life will go on if this becomes law, somebody else is always going to be there to call them, you know, patient of the surkamp. Right. Or say theyre like neville chamberlain. Lets see what the president said as he called out republicans. Some republicans have suggested that unless i agree to an even longer list of demands not just gutting the health care law, but cutting taxes for millionaires, or rolling back rules on big banks and polluters, that they would push the button, throw america into default for the first time in history, and risk throwing us back into recession. Mckay, i thought the last election was fought on that very list of issues. I mean, didnt mitt romney go around saying he wanted to defund the Environmental Protection agency, he wanted to repeal dodd frank . Now they brought that back. I mean what happened . Did the president not win . If you talk to most conservatives and republicans, they will not concede that that was a judgment on their platform. They will say, you know, any number of reasons obama won. But whats really funny is that we saw mitt romney come out today, and actually say, government shutdown, not a good idea, guys. You know, as much as i agree with you with the result, i dont think that the best idea is to shut down the government. Your reaction to what you heard from the president today. I thought it was an interesting speech, tough speech. I appreciated the sort of grit he had. The line i wrote down that stuck out to me, no one gets to threaten the faith and credit in the United States to extract political credit. I think that what he was doing was saying to folks in d. C. , you are going to hurt the people at home, think about what youre doing, this is not right to hurt folks at home, just to score political points. He talked a little bit about the import of the federal government in peoples lives and how people at home will be hurt by shutting down the government. That its not this abstract political theater or that people will be hurt. And this is fundamental, i think, to progressives argument about government, that government cant help and shape peoples daily lives. And as we go about our lives, we can forget the importance of the federal government and how its protecting us in all these fundamental ways. And the president tried to remind folks in d. C. About that today. Josh, final question to you. Yesterday Jimmy Williams was on this broadcast, and he said the true leader of the Republican Party is now jim demint. Bloomberg business week has a cover story today saying, effectively, that jim did he mint is the republican shadow peopler. So is that the case . I dont think thats quite right. I think there is no leader of the Republican Party. No leader. No leader. And i think jim demint has been able to force the party to do various things, forced them to have this fight over obamacare. But whats going to be the end game . Were going to have a debt ceiling increase. Were going to have a bill that funds the government, even if we have a shutdown for a few days and obamacare is not going to be did he funded. Jim demint cannot force republicans to lay the party down on the tracts and do the Suicide Mission so whats the point . Jim demint raises a lot of money. Excellent. Thank you so much. Thank you all. Coming up, in hot water, the comments that have sparked a global pastor protest. Next. for those nights when its more than a bad dream, be ready. For the days when you get a sudden call from the school, be ready. For the times you need to doublecheck the temperature on the thermometer, be ready. When you have childrens motrin on hand, youre ready. For high fever, nothing works faster or lasts longer than childrens motrin. 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I apologize if my words have generated controversy or misunderstanding, or if they have hurt the sensibilities of some people. In the interview, i simply wanted to highlight the central role of the woman in the family. But sensing that his words were still boiling over, the group took to twitter in a last, desperate attempt to turn the heat down. While we cannot undo words that have been said, we can apologize to all those we have hurt or offended. We are deeply sorry. Joining us now is an always temp temp temperat jonathan capehart. Is this the end of pasta dishes in your home . Well, with barilla. Ill switch to de cicco, i forgot to bring their box. If the sensibilities of people people being offended. Its its its beyond stupid. Why . Well, because. That commercial, the clip of the commercial you showed. 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If anything, when laura bush came out in favor of samesex marriage, one of the friends, a man by the name of charles francis, said to me, where was she when we needed her, when they were in the white house, when there were all those Ballot Initiatives around the country in 2004 . Where was her voice then . So when i saw that president h. W. Bush was at this same sex wedding in maine and was the official signatory, it didnt surprise me at all. It was heartening to see the bushes once again are showing themselves to be the statesmen in a party that doesnt have any. And final opportunity for you to recommend which form of pasta . De cecco. Thank you. Still ahead, the rise and fall and the legend of a jazz great. Stay with us. This is for you. [ male announcer ] bobs heart attack didnt come with a warning. Today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. If youve had a heart attack, be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. Unh [ male announcer ] you can choose to blend in. Or you can choose to blend out. The allnew 2014 lexus is. Its your move. The allnew 2014 lexus is. A writer and a performer. Ther, im also a survivor of ovarian and uterine cancers. I even wrote a play about that. My symptoms were a pain in my abdomen and periods that were heavier and longer than usual for me. If you have symptoms that last two weeks or longer, be brave, go to the doctor. Ovarian and uterine cancers are gynecologic cancers. Symptoms are not the same for everyone. I got sick. And then i got better. The medical i have flous of one of the greatest pioneers of jazz, Charlie Parker. In a short but profoundly creative life, born in 1920, traveled from obscurity in kansas to International Acclaim in new york. At the height of his powers, audiences were compelled to listen, even when it was personally uncomfortable. As explained by daily news columnist, stanley crouch. There were these two women who sat in the audience, and they were so enthralled by parkers playing, they didnt go to the bathroom, they wet their seats rather than to get up and miss one note that came out of the saxophone. Im delighted to say that mr. Crouch, the author of the new book, kansas city lightning the rise and times of Charlie Parker, joins us now. Welcome, sir. Thank you very much. What was it in your view as a musician and artist that made Charlie Parker so unique . Well, there were two things, essentially. One of them was his rhythmic imagination. And the other were the notes that he chose to play. And the fact that he heard notes moving at a great velocity. All the while, he heard everything going on around him. Do you mean by that he was inventing harmony, a melody, that was almost unimaginable for anyone without his genius, without his ability . Yeah, because nobody ever played that fast before. Now, they had played what they call our broken chords. That had been done, but melody at that speed, no. He was raised in the 1920s in kansas city, and went on to play in the segregated venues of chicago, as you know, and ultimately in new york. Where he was at times barred from clubs. Had he to busk. How much did being africanamerican add to the personal grief of his own life . Well, it didnt it didnt so much add to his the grief of it. It actually added more to his his joy, because the kansas city that he grew up in, the people, they lived the life that was basically indifferent, and and removed from segregation, in that they didnt take it very seriously. And what i am saying is that see, when they decided to have a party, when they decided to go to a dance hall, when they decided to have a parade in their neighborhood, thats what they did. So they wouldnt have said, well, we would have a party, but the white folks wouldnt they wouldnt like it if we were having a good time. They didnt think like that. Right. So when i was talking to my mother and my father, they they grew up in the 1930s. They gave me such a different sense of the way the way people actually lived and actually thought than we see in the in many of the the poorer those poor darkees, they are just down there under the white peoples feet and they cant do anything about it. And i dont mean that they didnt know that there was bigotry. But they didnt they didnt define themselves by it. I understand. Final question to you. Charlie parkers life was cut short, just at the age of 34. Right. And he suffered with addiction to heroin and alcohol and so on. And you depict this in great detail in the book. Do you think that, had he been born after the Civil Rights Era that his circumstances may have been vastly better than they were before . And maybe his life wouldnt have ended as they did. They might have been vastly different, but ive always thought of Charlie Parker as a guy like that, that rockefeller, who died of an overdose up in harlem. He wasnt broke at all. He just liked dope. And and he ended up getting out of here. But in the book, its basically a paying to Charlie Parker and americana and his music. Wonderful. As i said, stanley crouchs book, city lightning, available now. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. And well be right back. Were going to taste a romneyfamilyfavorite. Tell us about these. Theyre burned. Youve got to turn the griddle down. Ive got a cooking emergency. How could we ever forget mrs. Ann romney in that morning show moment less than a month before her husband lost the president ial election. In which case it turns out, one of the just many dishes around the romney table. A selection now transkribd into a cookbook, compiled by mrs. Romney and rising perfectly in time for the holiday season. The book jacket is res plen cant with the everexpanding allamerican romney family. You know, the ideal American Family that simply couldnt connect with the average american. And all of this reminded us that not with standing his personal wealth of well over half a billion dollars, there really is no accounting for taste. I just got these pancakes from a restaurant called pancakes, eggset extra, kind of a play on words and the pancakes, apparently, are very good. No fancy feast for mr. Romney, no. But caution, dont you dare stand between that man and his dinner. Thats right. Tag, isnt it . Dad always goes to the line first, because he doesnt want to wait for all the grandchildren, because it takes forever. The parents are cutting the meat and serving everything up and hes usually finished by the time the rest of us sit down. Thank you so much for watching this afternoon. And every afternoon. The ed show with ed schultz is coming up right after this. Good evening, americans, welcome to the ed show from minneapolis. We have breaking news to start our program tonight. Big news not only on the foreign policy