think the judge got it wrong and that will come within the next week or so. >> and so is she going to do that, will she hold off, the judge i mean? >> we don't know yet. i would think so. that is it typically what happens here. what they say is the last time a court did something like this in the bush administration, george w. bush administration, when a different judge rule that had there is no such thing as absolute immunity from testimony, the appeals court did put a stay on it. so the justice department says look, this is a big deal. this is bigger than just donald trump versus the house democrats. this is sort of an institutional separation of powers issue about the power of congress, the power of the white house, it is bigger than any of us, so let's take our time and do this right. >> pete, thank you so much. that is the what. let's dig into what it means. and joining me now, annie karni and also mimi hoca.